UK inflation in shock jump to 4.4pc and borrowing rises

UK inflation in shock jump to 4.4pc and borrowing rises

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limpsfield

5,896 posts

255 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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I have only speed-read the thread so apologies, but is someone admitting to paying less than three figures for a pair of shoes on pistonheads?

Cheap shoes do not go well with mustard cords.

DJC

23,563 posts

238 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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allgonepetetong said:
You must look really look the part in business meetings and job interviews!
As I mentioned elsewhere, there is nothing vaguely resembling an office dress code here and much to my shock that even includes when customers are present.
As it happens my office attire is £5 and £10 Van Hoosen shirts I acquired in their firesale when they left the UK in Jan, various dark trousers and usually my pair of Chenney shoes which as they havent been polished in about 6 months look as if they did cost £10. If I wanted to I could easily wear a grands worth of clothing at work and nobody would bat an eyelid, notice or care a damn. And Im working in a place that makes the vast majority of London inc the City look like a paupers rat run.

Its a funny old world.

limpsfield

5,896 posts

255 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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DJC said:
AAnd Im working in a place that makes the vast majority of London inc the City look like a paupers rat run.
love that line

Manks

26,503 posts

224 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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DJC said:
As I mentioned elsewhere, there is nothing vaguely resembling an office dress code here and much to my shock that even includes when customers are present.
As it happens my office attire is £5 and £10 Van Hoosen shirts I acquired in their firesale when they left the UK in Jan, various dark trousers and usually my pair of Chenney shoes which as they havent been polished in about 6 months look as if they did cost £10. If I wanted to I could easily wear a grands worth of clothing at work and nobody would bat an eyelid, notice or care a damn. And Im working in a place that makes the vast majority of London inc the City look like a paupers rat run.

Its a funny old world.
Van Hoosen shirts and Chenney shoes; you've been shopping down the market haven't you. wink





Legend83

10,013 posts

224 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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allgonepetetong said:
I don't think there are any cash ISAs paying more that 3.5% currently.
I know. I was inferring that some people would rather a reasonable return without the risk.

Well done you for earning 12% on your stocks and shares ISA (a genuine well done - FWIW I also have one) but some people are more risk-averse but are getting raped by the measily rates offered on cash.

I guess historically putting your money in a bank was "investing" it.


DJC

23,563 posts

238 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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Manks said:
Van Hoosen shirts and Chenney shoes; you've been shopping down the market haven't you. wink
For a fiver and tenner a shirt who cares?!
I love my Chenneys though. Mahooooosively comfy and if I ever bothered to polish them they would still look good. Someone else said in a different thread they had bought themselves out of from under Churches as they felt Churches had gone downhill in the quality stakes.

Zip106

14,720 posts

191 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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Does Von Hosen know you're wearing his shirts?

Manks

26,503 posts

224 months

Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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Zip106 said:
Does Von Hosen know you're wearing his shirts?
I'm a bit more classy personally and I'll only wear Bass, Versucci and Parda. Oh and Gunchi loafers.

allgonepetetong

1,188 posts

221 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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DJC said:
As I mentioned elsewhere, there is nothing vaguely resembling an office dress code here and much to my shock that even includes when customers are present.
As it happens my office attire is £5 and £10 Van Hoosen shirts I acquired in their firesale when they left the UK in Jan, various dark trousers and usually my pair of Chenney shoes which as they havent been polished in about 6 months look as if they did cost £10. If I wanted to I could easily wear a grands worth of clothing at work and nobody would bat an eyelid, notice or care a damn. And Im working in a place that makes the vast majority of London inc the City look like a paupers rat run.

Its a funny old world.
So because you can look like a tramp at work and no-one cares, essential items like shoes should be classed as a luxury.

Have you stopped to think about anyone else's situation before making your assertions or just your own?


allgonepetetong

1,188 posts

221 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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Legend83 said:
I know. I was inferring that some people would rather a reasonable return without the risk.
And therein lies the rub. Higher risk achieves a higer return, low risk receives a lower return, that's basic economics. I would love a reasonable return without any risk but it simply does not exist - that would be like free money.

Investing cash is virtually zero risk and therefore receives almost zero return. I agree that historically you would have got more of a return than you do now, but in knowing this why not invest elsewhere?

It seems strange to complain that investing cash is not very rewarding, although I agree that with real interest rates in the negative it's especially poor. But with the current economic circumstances, ie zero growth what do you realistically expect?

FWIW the market is pricing in the first rate increases in August, if that helps to comfort at all.


Edited by allgonepetetong on Thursday 24th March 09:57

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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allgonepetetong said:
And therein lies the rub. Higher risk achieves a higer return, low risk receives a lower return, that's basic economics. I would love a reasonable return without any risk but it simply does not exist - that would be like free money.

Investing cash is virtually zero risk and therefore receives almost zero return. I agree that historically you would have got more of a return than you do now, but in knowing this why not invest elsewhere?

It seems strange to complain that investing cash is not very rewarding, although I agree that with real interest rates in the negative it's especially poor. But with the current economic circumstances, ie zero growth what do you realistically expect?

FWIW the market is pricing in the first rate increases in August, if that helps to comfort at all.


Edited by allgonepetetong on Thursday 24th March 09:57
As I said before, negative real interest rates are not normal. So in normal times it should be possible to earn in excess of inflation "risk free"

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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Don't worry, MPC will only lose public confidence slowly

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Slow-loss-credibi...

allgonepetetong

1,188 posts

221 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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NoelWatson said:
Don't worry, MPC will only lose public confidence slowly

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Slow-loss-credibi...
I think the BoE's mandate should be amended so that instead of solely being responsible for controlling inflation it is also responsible for helping to create conditions to assist with the recovery.

At the momnet they are torn between these two objectives, although they are only mandated to control inflation they are clearly looking at the danger of stifling a very weak recovery should they exercise tighter monetry policy.

They are damned if they do and damned if they don't quite frankly.

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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allgonepetetong said:
NoelWatson said:
Don't worry, MPC will only lose public confidence slowly

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Slow-loss-credibi...
I think the BoE's mandate should be amended so that instead of solely being responsible for controlling inflation it is also responsible for helping to create conditions to assist with the recovery.

At the momnet they are torn between these two objectives, although they are only mandated to control inflation they are clearly looking at the danger of stifling a very weak recovery should they exercise tighter monetry policy.

They are damned if they do and damned if they don't quite frankly.
By recovery do you mean blowing ever bigger bubbles/delaying the inevitable, or something else?

allgonepetetong

1,188 posts

221 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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NoelWatson said:
By recovery do you mean blowing ever bigger bubbles/delaying the inevitable, or something else?
It's always a question with you Noel, isn't it?

I think you know what I mean, and to be clear, it isn't the first 2!

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th March 2011
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allgonepetetong said:
NoelWatson said:
By recovery do you mean blowing ever bigger bubbles/delaying the inevitable, or something else?
It's always a question with you Noel, isn't it?

I think you know what I mean, and to be clear, it isn't the first 2!
I've no idea how their current policy will help on the latter.

ringram

14,700 posts

250 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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NoelWatson said:
ringram said:
Are you suggesting they are fully hedged against inflation!? Surely the cost would be prohibitive?
History suggests nothing is fully hedged.
I don't see how inflation comes into it. Indeed, they cannot be fully hedged, the money markets may not lend to them.
Hmm thats strange. It seems the Cleveland Fed would disagree...

http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/commentary/20...

"Perhaps most importantly, we find that inflation has a dramatic negative impact on the profitability of banks. Various measures of bank profitability—net interest margins, net profits, rate of return on equity, and value added by the banking sector—all decline in real terms as inflation rises, after controlling for other variables. Figure 2 plots banks’ real net interest margins against the inflation quartiles to give one example. (The real net interest margin is a measure of the inflation-adjusted spread between a bank’s lending rate and its cost of obtaining funds.) We see that even at fairly modest inflation rates of between 5.1 percent and 9.1 percent, the real net interest margin turns negative. Such low real rates of return suggest that the incentives to expand bank operations simply are not as strong as inflation
rises."


NoelWatson

11,710 posts

244 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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ringram said:
NoelWatson said:
ringram said:
Are you suggesting they are fully hedged against inflation!? Surely the cost would be prohibitive?
History suggests nothing is fully hedged.
I don't see how inflation comes into it. Indeed, they cannot be fully hedged, the money markets may not lend to them.
Hmm thats strange. It seems the Cleveland Fed would disagree...

http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/commentary/20...

"Perhaps most importantly, we find that inflation has a dramatic negative impact on the profitability of banks. Various measures of bank profitability—net interest margins, net profits, rate of return on equity, and value added by the banking sector—all decline in real terms as inflation rises, after controlling for other variables. Figure 2 plots banks’ real net interest margins against the inflation quartiles to give one example. (The real net interest margin is a measure of the inflation-adjusted spread between a bank’s lending rate and its cost of obtaining funds.) We see that even at fairly modest inflation rates of between 5.1 percent and 9.1 percent, the real net interest margin turns negative. Such low real rates of return suggest that the incentives to expand bank operations simply are not as strong as inflation
rises."
I searched the article but found no mention of "mortgage"

ringram

14,700 posts

250 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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Irrelevant surely?


NoelWatson

11,710 posts

244 months

Friday 25th March 2011
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ringram said:
Irrelevant surely?
Not when you posted

"Inflation risk. Fixed rate mortgages. Variable mortgages based on BoE rates."