Climate protesters block roads
Discussion
RobDickinson said:
'believe' shows you dont understand science.
Surely believe is connected with faith, but science is connected with knowledge. I had a Jehovah's Witness woman tell me once that "I believe no, I know!" That's real faith for you!Why, I might ask the 'scientists', if the science is settled, is it constantly changing? The settled statements have mostly proven wrong so far. If they hadn't we'd all be dead already. Glacier's vanishing, no more snow, etc.
dandarez said:
At least crusty old farts realise the importance of grammar and the use of punctuation.
Did the apostrophe just disappear off your green planet?
Not everyone was educated at posh schools.
motco said:
The settled statements have mostly proven wrong so far.
Uh no, the oldest climate models were actually quite accurate given the limitations. https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have...
"Conclusion
Climate models published since 1973 have generally been quite skillful in projecting future warming. While some were too low and some too high, they all show outcomes reasonably close to what has actually occurred, especially when discrepancies between predicted and actual CO2 concentrations and other climate forcings are taken into account."
The science is done and dusted bar a few details.
I know a Met Policewoman who arrested a few at this protest.
Arrested people called Madeleine, Georgina, Mary & Lucinda.
One of whom apologised for being a bit heavy as she was dragged away.
All of them got up and walked as soon as out of camera shot.
She said it was certainly different to the protests they are normally used to....
One funny quip, she said ‘Nice day for it!’ As she arrested someone, reply was ‘Because of climate change.’.
Arrested people called Madeleine, Georgina, Mary & Lucinda.
One of whom apologised for being a bit heavy as she was dragged away.
All of them got up and walked as soon as out of camera shot.
She said it was certainly different to the protests they are normally used to....
One funny quip, she said ‘Nice day for it!’ As she arrested someone, reply was ‘Because of climate change.’.
Edited by Uncle John on Tuesday 23 April 09:19
mygoldfishbowl said:
Coolbanana said:
lord trumpton said:
Most of these protestors seem to be the usual crew of work shy fops that attend protests.
No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.
The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzfks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.
Massive levels of ignorance, despite extensive attempts at educating people like you demonstrates why groups like XR exist – you cause them to exist, to take their message to the Government that it mustn’t be complacent and think everyone is like you. No doubt they'll be seasoned with past experience of fracking demonstrations et al
Braided hair, scruffy
s with fk all else to do other than sit around singing peace songs and generally being an embarrassment to the homo sapien.The thing is with climate change is that it's just pure conjecture and in my bigoted opinion just something that the earth has gone through many times over its lifespan.
Yes, temperatures appear to be rising when collated over the last century but it's something that will come to pass, nature/life adapts to and things carry on. In the meantime I'm enjoying this lovely weather whilst these lazy scuzf
ks roll around on the floor making a nuisance of themselves.Of course the Earth goes through natural climate change cycles, that is obvious. But why is it so difficult for some folks to grasp that humans burning fossil fuels at the incredible rate they have in a very short time, has accelerated the natural cycle – unnaturally.
It is the equivalent of a large asteroid impact or large-scale nuclear war, it creates an event that causes widespread damage to Nature very quickly.
If we didn’t accelerate climate change, Nature would try to adapt to the natural cycle over the much slower time. Now, granted, natural cycles still have casualties from those that could not adapt fast enough, but it is incredibly stupid to accelerate the process such that far greater harm is guaranteed. Far more species extinct. Coral reefs wiped out, fish numbers reduced – human food sources severely impacted. Ocean levels raised to put human settlements at great risk.
Why would you risk having this happen when it can be avoided and time gained for not just us, but Nature generally, to try to adapt naturally? Would a 25 year old wish to accelerate their age to 75 and meet the challenges of that age, health and lack of accumulated resources, advancement in knowledge, experience, or would they rather their normal natural cycle play out?
Climate change is a basic fact and natural process. Human impact by way of accelerating that natural process was a debate started in earnest 30 years or so ago and has been settled as fact too.
Anyone still in denial of this is no better than those who still persist the Earth is flat and History will see them as such.
XR is extreme. But it is borne from a general sense that too much ignorance still exists and therefore more pressure needs to be enacted to change Laws faster. For PH’ers, this could mean the acceleration of laws that see your bums out of the seats of V8 cars much faster than it might otherwise have been by knee-jerk Government reactions, rather than a generally-accepted, Universal methodology towards finding and creating solutions to deal with reduced emissions.
All you Deniers are responsible for XR and their ilk.
By refusing to understand and accept basic concepts, by not buying into a need for change, you give rise to these demonstrations by directly creating a sense of non-urgency where some needs to exist.
Same old tactic. Just label everyone who disagrees as thick and uneducated.
In the meantime, people like banana continue with their modern lifestyle damaging the environment they so dearly love, but telling everyone else off for doing so.
RobDickinson said:
The science is done and dusted bar a few details.
And science has determined that life as we know it will end anyway.......so this 'saving the planet bks' is just that......bks.And long before that point its highly unlikely that there will be any humans left anyway..........every 3rd or so generation has had to deal and evolve with the situation on the planet as it is, we evolve too slowly do otherwise.
The generation or two that is living whenever the current industrial/technology age draws to an end (as it will do) will have just as big an adaption as they generations that were around 300 years ago when it started. The big difference will be the enormous reduction in human population back to the sustainable levels of that time, or even less, as that will be one hell of a bun fight. The next 100 years war most likely.
RobDickinson said:
Uh no, the oldest climate models were actually quite accurate given the limitations.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have...
"Conclusion
Climate models published since 1973 have generally been quite skillful in projecting future warming. While some were too low and some too high, they all show outcomes reasonably close to what has actually occurred, especially when discrepancies between predicted and actual CO2 concentrations and other climate forcings are taken into account."
The science is done and dusted bar a few details.
carbonfhttps://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have...
"Conclusion
Climate models published since 1973 have generally been quite skillful in projecting future warming. While some were too low and some too high, they all show outcomes reasonably close to what has actually occurred, especially when discrepancies between predicted and actual CO2 concentrations and other climate forcings are taken into account."
The science is done and dusted bar a few details.
kingbrief and you take others to task for using the word "belief". did you even read past the headline ? if sawyer's 1973 model was so accurate why aren't they still using it now ? how would his model perform if it had been projected out to today and beyond ? currently all climate models use the same base code and modeling teams get to add some of their own magic potions to tweak it. There is a problem with the latest iteration that has caused an issue for all the modelers as they can't understand why the models are all running so hot.maybe , just maybe ,it is because they are not modeling all the physical processes and some of those they are they are doing incorrectly as they will readily admit.there is a reason they are termed projections and not predictions.
Johnnytheboy said:
Uncle John said:
One funny quip, she said ‘Nice day for it!’ As she arrested someone, reply was ‘Because of climate change.’.
Yeah but in their view:Sunny: climate change
Rainy: climate change
Cold: climate change
Coolbanana said:
Massive levels of ignorance, despite extensive attempts at educating people like you demonstrates why groups like XR exist – you cause them to exist, to take their message to the Government that it mustn’t be complacent and think everyone is like you.
Of course the Earth goes through natural climate change cycles, that is obvious. But why is it so difficult for some folks to grasp that humans burning fossil fuels at the incredible rate they have in a very short time, has accelerated the natural cycle – unnaturally.
It is the equivalent of a large asteroid impact or large-scale nuclear war, it creates an event that causes widespread damage to Nature very quickly.
If we didn’t accelerate climate change, Nature would try to adapt to the natural cycle over the much slower time. Now, granted, natural cycles still have casualties from those that could not adapt fast enough, but it is incredibly stupid to accelerate the process such that far greater harm is guaranteed. Far more species extinct. Coral reefs wiped out, fish numbers reduced – human food sources severely impacted. Ocean levels raised to put human settlements at great risk.
Why would you risk having this happen when it can be avoided and time gained for not just us, but Nature generally, to try to adapt naturally? Would a 25 year old wish to accelerate their age to 75 and meet the challenges of that age, health and lack of accumulated resources, advancement in knowledge, experience, or would they rather their normal natural cycle play out?
Climate change is a basic fact and natural process. Human impact by way of accelerating that natural process was a debate started in earnest 30 years or so ago and has been settled as fact too.
Anyone still in denial of this is no better than those who still persist the Earth is flat and History will see them as such.
XR is extreme. But it is borne from a general sense that too much ignorance still exists and therefore more pressure needs to be enacted to change Laws faster. For PH’ers, this could mean the acceleration of laws that see your bums out of the seats of V8 cars much faster than it might otherwise have been by knee-jerk Government reactions, rather than a generally-accepted, Universal methodology towards finding and creating solutions to deal with reduced emissions.
All you Deniers are responsible for XR and their ilk.
By refusing to understand and accept basic concepts, by not buying into a need for change, you give rise to these demonstrations by directly creating a sense of non-urgency where some needs to exist.
There is much sense in what you say, Coolbanana, but I think you are underestimating the extent to which climate can and has changed very quickly from natural causes only. Also, we are not accelerating the rate of natural climate change, but rather putting our own blip on the curve of natural change.Of course the Earth goes through natural climate change cycles, that is obvious. But why is it so difficult for some folks to grasp that humans burning fossil fuels at the incredible rate they have in a very short time, has accelerated the natural cycle – unnaturally.
It is the equivalent of a large asteroid impact or large-scale nuclear war, it creates an event that causes widespread damage to Nature very quickly.
If we didn’t accelerate climate change, Nature would try to adapt to the natural cycle over the much slower time. Now, granted, natural cycles still have casualties from those that could not adapt fast enough, but it is incredibly stupid to accelerate the process such that far greater harm is guaranteed. Far more species extinct. Coral reefs wiped out, fish numbers reduced – human food sources severely impacted. Ocean levels raised to put human settlements at great risk.
Why would you risk having this happen when it can be avoided and time gained for not just us, but Nature generally, to try to adapt naturally? Would a 25 year old wish to accelerate their age to 75 and meet the challenges of that age, health and lack of accumulated resources, advancement in knowledge, experience, or would they rather their normal natural cycle play out?
Climate change is a basic fact and natural process. Human impact by way of accelerating that natural process was a debate started in earnest 30 years or so ago and has been settled as fact too.
Anyone still in denial of this is no better than those who still persist the Earth is flat and History will see them as such.
XR is extreme. But it is borne from a general sense that too much ignorance still exists and therefore more pressure needs to be enacted to change Laws faster. For PH’ers, this could mean the acceleration of laws that see your bums out of the seats of V8 cars much faster than it might otherwise have been by knee-jerk Government reactions, rather than a generally-accepted, Universal methodology towards finding and creating solutions to deal with reduced emissions.
All you Deniers are responsible for XR and their ilk.
By refusing to understand and accept basic concepts, by not buying into a need for change, you give rise to these demonstrations by directly creating a sense of non-urgency where some needs to exist.
I was trained as a geologist and oceanographer, and I have no difficulty in appreciating that very great changes in conditions at any one place on the earth's surface can happen over time. For me, the period between, say 15000 years ago, when a kilometre of ice covered these islands (actually not even islands then) and today is just a blink of the eye in geolological terms. But it is not surprising that so many people cannot understand this, and think there is some god-given right for the world to stay exactly as it was on the day they were born.
When the geological sciences were being developed in the 19th century, the crucial concept was that of uniformitarianism, which holds that the seemingly slow processes that can be observed today (weathering, erosion, sedimentation, etc.) over vast periods of time can account for the geological formations under our feet. Perhaps the most important spin off from this is that it gave Darwin millions of years, instead of a Biblical 6000, to explain the equally slow process of natural selection. But fashions change in geology as everywhere else, and today, a 'cataclysmic' philosophy explains how sometimes things can happen very quickly indeed - the formation of the English Channel, or the Black Sea, or meteor strikes for instance. These are natural processes that evolution would have no chance to keep up with.
What drives me to distraction is the loose use of terminology here. Muddled definitions lead to muddled thinking. When I hear the protesters interviewed and say that they want the government to 'stop climate change' then I despair at their ignorance. They may as well demand that the government reverse continental drift.
I am also unsettled at their focus on the impact of a rise in CO2 while simultaneously ignoring the greenhouse effects of water vapour, methane, nitrous oxide, etc. I find it hard to understand how little is mentioned about the former, which on its own dwarfs the effect of the actual gases - 70% of the greenhouse effect according to some sources. Is this because carbon is associated with industry and therefore capitalism, and therefore a more politically inviting target? How many vegan, climate obsessed protesters realise that as much methane is released from rice cultivation as it is from farming ruminants?
At the very most, governments can act to reduce man made carbon emissions, which are only a part of the total atmospheric carbon dioxide content, which is only a part of the total gaseous atmospheric content responsible for climate regulation, all of which together are small compared to the effect of water vapour - the whole lot being only one factor in the climate change story along with astronomical influences, or continental movement, etc. It's a lot of fuss about not very much at the end of the day.
However, I suppose we should do what we can do, but I would like a more informed debate on the street that distinguishes between anthropogenic and natural climate change, and not a King Canute like insistence that we can turn back the tides of natural processes that we have no power to influence. We live on an ever changing, ever threatening earth surface, and should be expending our energy on how we adapt and prepare for the challenges we face as a species, society and economy instead of thinking that like Joshua, we can command the sun to stand still in the sky.
I note a recent meme that asked whether we should trust the government, funded by oil companies etc.or these good guys, backed by 15,000 scientists. Except the only connection to the scientists is that they agree global warming exists, not that we should ban planes and boilers immediately.
No ideas for a name said:
Probably been mentioned before, but don't get mislead as to who these people are and who 'controls' them.
I fear some good intentioned protestors are being 'played'.
XR is part of/supported by RiseUp!
Form RiseUp!'s web site..
Their shared vision apparently needs...
"A revolution, meaning a rapid change in wealth distribution and power structures, preventing rich elite from perpetuating a self-serving ideology. Our democracy, our media, our academia, our think tanks and businesses (organisations whose purpose should be to meet our needs) must serve all people and a healthy ecology."
So a cult then? Explains a few things then.I fear some good intentioned protestors are being 'played'.
XR is part of/supported by RiseUp!
Form RiseUp!'s web site..
Their shared vision apparently needs...
"A revolution, meaning a rapid change in wealth distribution and power structures, preventing rich elite from perpetuating a self-serving ideology. Our democracy, our media, our academia, our think tanks and businesses (organisations whose purpose should be to meet our needs) must serve all people and a healthy ecology."
funkyrobot said:
andy_s said:
RobDickinson said:
The science is done and dusted bar a few details.
Said no scientist ever.jfire said:
I note a recent meme that asked whether we should trust the government, funded by oil companies etc.or these good guys, backed by 15,000 scientists. Except the only connection to the scientists is that they agree global warming exists, not that we should ban planes and boilers immediately.
Who funds the scientists? Genuine questionI thought this documentary was interesting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00049b1/cli...
It has done more to make me think than those idiots have.
It has done more to make me think than those idiots have.
So many self-centred selfish people on here.
You sum up whats so wrong with our nation; the needs of the individual (you) are deemed greater than the many. So many on here brand themselves as patriots to our country yet have never done/or do little to secure Her future from any harm and new threats such as water shortages/food harvest failures she now faces. The stoic resistance to accept every person needs to alter their behaviour to address CC is lost on so many its sad to read. Despite major geo/political/CC differences between myself and legions on here, the one thing we do have in common is (probably) a love of engines/cars/bikes/aeroplanes. However, you can take genuine steps to negate and offset the pollution they create and its something Id urge you to at least look at.
The denial of climate change effects being here right now is incredible; as is berating and mocking those who raise its awareness. Im surprised none of you have berated a recent Countryfile report highlighting the plight of a chalk stream thats ran dry in Hertfordshire due to water demand from it outstripping replenishment. CC has arrived for that river and it won't be the last.
Unless everyone works together on this, we really are better off being rubbed out off the face of the planet as we really don't deserve to be here.
You sum up whats so wrong with our nation; the needs of the individual (you) are deemed greater than the many. So many on here brand themselves as patriots to our country yet have never done/or do little to secure Her future from any harm and new threats such as water shortages/food harvest failures she now faces. The stoic resistance to accept every person needs to alter their behaviour to address CC is lost on so many its sad to read. Despite major geo/political/CC differences between myself and legions on here, the one thing we do have in common is (probably) a love of engines/cars/bikes/aeroplanes. However, you can take genuine steps to negate and offset the pollution they create and its something Id urge you to at least look at.
The denial of climate change effects being here right now is incredible; as is berating and mocking those who raise its awareness. Im surprised none of you have berated a recent Countryfile report highlighting the plight of a chalk stream thats ran dry in Hertfordshire due to water demand from it outstripping replenishment. CC has arrived for that river and it won't be the last.
Unless everyone works together on this, we really are better off being rubbed out off the face of the planet as we really don't deserve to be here.
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