Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)

[turbobloke]

General - climate change causes arson? Blimey.

Politicians need yet another law, and probably another tax.

[turbobloke]

References in the news are varied. These references are memorable.

WashEx asked But what if the blame belongs not with climate change, but with climate change policies that the utilities and their benefactors in government favor?

Twisted firestarting

"It could be the key to unravelling what’s really going down with California’s misguided big government policies"...when it isn't arson.

Behind Most Wildfires a Person and a Spark

Man Charged with California Wildfire Arson

[garagewidow]

dickymint said:

Kawasicki said:

Lotus 50 said:

robinessex said:

These fires are happening in temperatures, at the most, only a couple of degree hotter than usual, I don't think it matters diddly squat. The wind at the scene of these fires is the major factor in their severity. Climate change is NOT CAUSING MORE FIRES, which is what all the references to them tries to infer.

Rob, we've been through this several times. Each time I've challenged you to provide an example of a reference in the news that says that climate change is causing more fires and each time you've failed. It isn't the number of fires it's the severity of the fires and a key cause of the increased severity is increased drought.

Where is the evidence that drought has increased?

https://theconversation.com/global-drought-has-not...

And then there’s “CC causes more rain” oops

It was the main focal point on last nights St gretas world domination program,severe flooding and rainfall becoming more frequent,

Higher than normal temperatures ;-climate change

Higher than normal rainfall;-climate change.

You can't win,i'm sure the frantic climate handwringers won't be happy until we have a global winter temperature of 0deg and a summer one of 20deg with an absolute switching point on the spring and autumn equinox,any deviation out of range will not be tolerated.

[Lotus 50]

robinessex said:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-...




Increasingly dangerous wildfires are just one consequence of climate change. Here, a man watches in 2013 as the Springs fire in California approaches. Credit: David McNew Getty Images

Yet again a fail - you're reading into this what you want it to say. I quote for emphasis 'Increasingly dangerous' - ie the wildfires that are occurring are having more severe consequences. It does not say they are happening more frequently.

[robinessex]

Lotus 50 said:

robinessex said:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-...




Increasingly dangerous wildfires are just one consequence of climate change. Here, a man watches in 2013 as the Springs fire in California approaches. Credit: David McNew Getty Images

Yet again a fail - you're reading into this what you want it to say. I quote for emphasis 'Increasingly dangerous' - ie the wildfires that are occurring are having more severe consequences. It does not say they are happening more frequently.

It's the inference you have to judge it by, unless you want to keep your blinkers on. Note it also says 'just one consequence of climate change,' What's the others then?

[Lotus 50]

garagewidow said:

It was the main focal point on last nights St gretas world domination program,severe flooding and rainfall becoming more frequent,

Higher than normal temperatures ;-climate change

Higher than normal rainfall;-climate change.

You can't win,i'm sure the frantic climate handwringers won't be happy until we have a global winter temperature of 0deg and a summer one of 20deg with an absolute switching point on the spring and autumn equinox,any deviation out of range will not be tolerated.

Warmer air has the capacity to contain more moisture. When that warmer air meets cold air that moisture condenses out = higher rainfall. The link isn't that hard to understand.

[Lotus 50]

robinessex said:

It's the inference you have to judge it by, unless you want to keep your blinkers on. Note it also says 'just one consequence of climate change,' What's the others then?

Nope you're just failing to read and understand things properly.

Re other impacts - they're in the article eg increased flooding, sea level rise etc but you're now just trolling as you know full well what they are and can't admit you're wrong.

Edited by Lotus 50 on Tuesday 20th April 17:28

[Kawasicki]

Lotus 50 said:

garagewidow said:

It was the main focal point on last nights St gretas world domination program,severe flooding and rainfall becoming more frequent,

Higher than normal temperatures ;-climate change

Higher than normal rainfall;-climate change.

You can't win,i'm sure the frantic climate handwringers won't be happy until we have a global winter temperature of 0deg and a summer one of 20deg with an absolute switching point on the spring and autumn equinox,any deviation out of range will not be tolerated.

Warmer air has the capacity to contain more moisture. When that warmer air meets cold air that moisture condenses out = higher rainfall. The link isn't that hard to understand.

Higher rainfall, leading to less droughts, good news!

[Lotus 50]

Kawasicki said:

Higher rainfall, leading to less droughts, good news!

Could be :-) It does depend on where the higher rainfall lands and what it does when it hits the ground and runs over/through under it though...

[robinessex]

Lotus 50 said:

robinessex said:

It's the inference you have to judge it by, unless you want to keep your blinkers on. Note it also says 'just one consequence of climate change,' What's the others then?

Nope you're just failing to read and understand things properly.

Re other impacts - they're in the article eg increased flooding, sea level rise etc but you're now just trolling as you know full well what they are and can't admit you're wrong.

Edited by Lotus 50 on Tuesday 20th April 17:28

Keep groping for very tenuous links. The fact though chose to show a guy watching a fire says it all really.

[Kawasicki]

Lotus 50 said:

Kawasicki said:

Higher rainfall, leading to less droughts, good news!

Could be :-) It does depend on where the higher rainfall lands and what it does when it hits the ground and runs over/through under it though...

Every variation in climate has positive and negative effects.

[Diderot]

Kawasicki said:

Lotus 50 said:

garagewidow said:

It was the main focal point on last nights St gretas world domination program,severe flooding and rainfall becoming more frequent,

Higher than normal temperatures ;-climate change

Higher than normal rainfall;-climate change.

You can't win,i'm sure the frantic climate handwringers won't be happy until we have a global winter temperature of 0deg and a summer one of 20deg with an absolute switching point on the spring and autumn equinox,any deviation out of range will not be tolerated.

Warmer air has the capacity to contain more moisture. When that warmer air meets cold air that moisture condenses out = higher rainfall. The link isn't that hard to understand.

Higher rainfall, leading to less droughts, good news!

Beyond it all being utter boolax (the product of always already failing models), one would think that increased rainfall would be beneficial to any increased wildfire risk innit.

[turbobloke]

Wu et al also Nguyen et al found no significant trend in the global-scale hydrological cycle over a 30-year interval (due to a cancelling effect in Wu et al) whereas models say otherwise. Predictions of future rainfall within agw are no better than any other erroneous predictions.

[jshell]

After Boris' announcement today, rumours of carbon price per tonne being quadrupled. Industry, airlines, motorists and the rest to pay...

[dickymint]

jshell said:

After Boris' announcement today, rumours of carbon price per tonne being quadrupled. Industry, airlines, motorists and the rest to pay...

Agenda 21 - mission complete!!!

[jshell]

dickymint said:

jshell said:

After Boris' announcement today, rumours of carbon price per tonne being quadrupled. Industry, airlines, motorists and the rest to pay...

Agenda 21 - mission complete!!!

Certainly 'in progress'. I'm off to enrol in a Mandarin course...

[Kawasicki]

jshell said:

After Boris' announcement today, rumours of carbon price per tonne being quadrupled. Industry, airlines, motorists and the rest to pay...

Quadrupled? That wont do it! This is an emergency....10 times at least please. The UK has to show real leadership.


Where does all the money go?

[jshell]

Kawasicki said:

jshell said:

After Boris' announcement today, rumours of carbon price per tonne being quadrupled. Industry, airlines, motorists and the rest to pay...

Quadrupled? That wont do it! This is an emergency....10 times at least please. The UK has to show real leadership.


Where does all the money go?

Great question!

[deeps]

All this talk of forest fires again, I thought the science was settled last year

Eco warriors preventing proper forest management over many years, leading to a build up of forest fuel on the ground, generally ignited by XR extremists in some perverse attempt to highlight and blame their beloved 'climate change'.

Did I miss something?

[deeps]

jshell said:

Kawasicki said:

jshell said:

After Boris' announcement today, rumours of carbon price per tonne being quadrupled. Industry, airlines, motorists and the rest to pay...

Quadrupled? That wont do it! This is an emergency....10 times at least please. The UK has to show real leadership.


Where does all the money go?

Great question!

Carbon trading, carbon permits, carbon taxes, I'm not up to date on it anymore, but the carbon exchange and trading schemes used to see very high rates of fraudulent trading, unsurprisingly as there is no product, just thin air. We can't even imagine the level of corruption!