45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
The Dangerous Elk said:
What would the reaction be if the staff have "voted" for not serving some other people they decided they did not like ?
Personally I don't think they should have refused to serve her, that's unprofessional in my view and for exactly the reason you are alluding to above.However, to try to mobilise your supporters against a private establishment, who hadn't made any mention of the event, who are now facing criticism and untrue reviews left is equally unprofessional.
rscott said:
And you don't seem to comprehend that they weren't doing it to anything like as many children until Trump changed the policy from. Catch & Release to detain.
Previously, only unaccompanied children were detained, then Trump's instrucfions changed that to all children being detained.
Pity his order didn't require the state to track exactly where those children went or to ensure they were reunited with parents if the parents were being deported.
So your issue is they aren't keeping track of kids separated from adults? I can agree that would be a pretty poor situation.Previously, only unaccompanied children were detained, then Trump's instrucfions changed that to all children being detained.
Pity his order didn't require the state to track exactly where those children went or to ensure they were reunited with parents if the parents were being deported.
The Dangerous Elk said:
What would the reaction be if the staff have "voted" for not serving some other people they decided they did not like ?
That’s what they are entitled to do, provided hey are not breaking a law in doing so (which they weren’t here). Sarah Sanders made her bed. Now she gets to lie in it. Boo hoo.
Don’t see where the “whataboutism” takes anyone here.
anonymous said:
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So a bakery refuses to bake a cake for religious reasons it's a massive scandal and liberals are all upset.
A restaurant refuses to serve a customer on moral grounds that's absolutely right and reasonable because moral beliefs "Trump" religious.
Sorry but that is the stupidest thing either of you have written so far.
frankenstein12 said:
So a bakery refuses to bake a cake for religious reasons it's a massive scandal and liberals are all upset.
A restaurant refuses to serve a customer on moral grounds that's absolutely right and reasonable because moral beliefs "Trump" religious.
Sorry but that is the stupidest thing either of you have written so far.
Like the other pro racist threads, you’ll probably argue for pages and then hopefully realise what’s going on and that you’re wrong again.
El stovey said:
Yet again you’ve completely missed the point.
Like the other pro racist threads, you’ll probably argue for pages and then hopefully realise what’s going on and that you’re wrong again.
Which point?Like the other pro racist threads, you’ll probably argue for pages and then hopefully realise what’s going on and that you’re wrong again.
The restaurant didn't make a fuss they just quietly asked her to leave?
Odd. The bakery also didn't make a fuss. They just quietly declined to bake a cake and offered alternate bakeries as solutions.
The fact that Sarah sanders tweeted about the fact the restaurant asked her to leave?
Odd. The gay couple didn't just tweet about the bakery. No they(aided by LGBTQ Advocacy groups) sued the bakery all the way to the Highest courts.
Remind me. What bit am i missing here?
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
And you don't seem to comprehend that they weren't doing it to anything like as many children until Trump changed the policy from. Catch & Release to detain.
Previously, only unaccompanied children were detained, then Trump's instrucfions changed that to all children being detained.
Pity his order didn't require the state to track exactly where those children went or to ensure they were reunited with parents if the parents were being deported.
So your issue is they aren't keeping track of kids separated from adults? I can agree that would be a pretty poor situation.Previously, only unaccompanied children were detained, then Trump's instrucfions changed that to all children being detained.
Pity his order didn't require the state to track exactly where those children went or to ensure they were reunited with parents if the parents were being deported.
1. They shouldn't be separating children when processing family groups, unless there are specific safety grounds to that case (eg child claims to be at risk).
2. If they are separated, then do so with compassion and ensure the family group can be reunited once a decision is made. That's simply not happening under Trump's tighter policy.
Definitely don't tell the parents you're taking the child to have a shower when you're actually sending them off to a separate detention facility - this claim is made by one family being represented by Avenatti.
RobDickinson said:
well the bit about the law I think,
you know the bit that says what the bakery done was illigal.
and the other bit about using an official account for private business ..
I thought Republicans were the party of law and order?
Oh i see. Well in that case the USA really need to change the law to make it illegal to refuse to serve people based on personal opinions as well.you know the bit that says what the bakery done was illigal.
and the other bit about using an official account for private business ..
I thought Republicans were the party of law and order?
Religious beliefs are basically personal opinion anyway so the law should be evened out.
Fairs fair.
As to breaking rules by posting about it on her official twitter. What's new for the white house these days.
rscott said:
Yet again F12 fails in basic comprehension. My issue is two-fold.
1. They shouldn't be separating children when processing family groups, unless there are specific safety grounds to that case (eg child claims to be at risk).
2. If they are separated, then do so with compassion and ensure the family group can be reunited once a decision is made. That's simply not happening under Trump's tighter policy.
Definitely don't tell the parents you're taking the child to have a shower when you're actually sending them off to a separate detention facility - this claim is made by one family being represented by Avenatti.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/19/fact-check-border-detention-children/716016002/1. They shouldn't be separating children when processing family groups, unless there are specific safety grounds to that case (eg child claims to be at risk).
2. If they are separated, then do so with compassion and ensure the family group can be reunited once a decision is made. That's simply not happening under Trump's tighter policy.
Definitely don't tell the parents you're taking the child to have a shower when you're actually sending them off to a separate detention facility - this claim is made by one family being represented by Avenatti.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479138/how-many-fa...
Furthermore, he implied that even when separated children have relatives in the US, HHS will still keep them in custody — in a facility close to where their parents are being detained — if it thinks it has a chance of reuniting the family eventually.
“Our overwhelming objective,” Wagner said, “when we’re aware of the presence of a parent in the United States, is to reunite (the child) with the parent,” even if that means waiting for the parent to get out of detention, either on bond or upon being deported.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-moms-story-prov...
Please show me proven articles of parents having children taken from them and never returned?
Also note all asylum facilities are full. That is how many people are trying to claim asylum and enter the country.
Asylum seekers are told at the border to apply at ports of entry but then try enter illegally.
They enter illegally because under Obama if you enter with a minor catch and release meant you would immediately be set free and would be able to disappear into the US.
Under Trump catch and release has stopped and now people are complaining about it. Exactly how many tens of thousands should be allowed into the country each month?
The Trump administration has detained 2,322 children 12 years old or younger amid its border crackdown
The number of children has exploded in the past six weeks since the Trump administration moved to stop parents and their children at the U.S. border and separate and detain them in different facilities
2300 kids. in six weeks. Now consider if even half those kids came with a single adult that's over 3000 in six weeks roughly who previously would have been released immediately under catch and release policy therefore bypassing immigration laws and that is just at the border and does not include other points of illegal entry into the US and number from those.
https://www.reference.com/government-politics/many...
How many should just be given a free pass to enter the US?
Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 24th June 10:50
Actually i would quite like to move to Australia.
Maybe they should adopt these sort of rules too. Then i could legally adopt a kid and fly over and claim Asylum and when they say i cant come in hold up my kid and go "look i have a kid" and they will just let me come into the country no further problems.
Maybe they should adopt these sort of rules too. Then i could legally adopt a kid and fly over and claim Asylum and when they say i cant come in hold up my kid and go "look i have a kid" and they will just let me come into the country no further problems.
frankenstein12 said:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/0...
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479138/how-many-fa...
Furthermore, he implied that even when separated children have relatives in the US, HHS will still keep them in custody — in a facility close to where their parents are being detained — if it thinks it has a chance of reuniting the family eventually.
“Our overwhelming objective,” Wagner said, “when we’re aware of the presence of a parent in the United States, is to reunite (the child) with the parent,” even if that means waiting for the parent to get out of detention, either on bond or upon being deported.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-moms-story-prov...
Please show me proven articles of parents having children taken from them and never returned?
Also note all asylum facilities are full. That is how many people are trying to claim asylum and enter the country.
Asylum seekers are told at the border to apply at ports of entry but then try enter illegally.
They enter illegally because under Obama if you enter with a minor catch and release meant you would immediately be set free and would be able to disappear into the US.
Under Trump catch and release has stopped and now people are complaining about it. Exactly how many tens of thousands should be allowed into the country each month?
The Trump administration has detained 2,322 children 12 years old or younger amid its border crackdown
The number of children has exploded in the past six weeks since the Trump administration moved to stop parents and their children at the U.S. border and separate and detain them in different facilities
2300 kids. in six weeks. Now consider if even half those kids came with a single adult that's over 3000 in six weeks roughly who previously would have been released immediately under catch and release policy therefore bypassing immigration laws and that is just at the border and does not include other points of illegal entry into the US and number from those.
https://www.reference.com/government-politics/many...
How many should just be given a free pass to enter the US?
You wanted an article about a child not returned to their parent?https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479138/how-many-fa...
Furthermore, he implied that even when separated children have relatives in the US, HHS will still keep them in custody — in a facility close to where their parents are being detained — if it thinks it has a chance of reuniting the family eventually.
“Our overwhelming objective,” Wagner said, “when we’re aware of the presence of a parent in the United States, is to reunite (the child) with the parent,” even if that means waiting for the parent to get out of detention, either on bond or upon being deported.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-moms-story-prov...
Please show me proven articles of parents having children taken from them and never returned?
Also note all asylum facilities are full. That is how many people are trying to claim asylum and enter the country.
Asylum seekers are told at the border to apply at ports of entry but then try enter illegally.
They enter illegally because under Obama if you enter with a minor catch and release meant you would immediately be set free and would be able to disappear into the US.
Under Trump catch and release has stopped and now people are complaining about it. Exactly how many tens of thousands should be allowed into the country each month?
The Trump administration has detained 2,322 children 12 years old or younger amid its border crackdown
The number of children has exploded in the past six weeks since the Trump administration moved to stop parents and their children at the U.S. border and separate and detain them in different facilities
2300 kids. in six weeks. Now consider if even half those kids came with a single adult that's over 3000 in six weeks roughly who previously would have been released immediately under catch and release policy therefore bypassing immigration laws and that is just at the border and does not include other points of illegal entry into the US and number from those.
https://www.reference.com/government-politics/many...
How many should just be given a free pass to enter the US?
Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 24th June 10:50
If you read the Vox link you posted, that has a link "parents are being deported alone" which goes to this NYTimes article about a woman deported without her child and with no way of finding them - https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigrati... .
Why do you think that anyone asking for humane treatment of families is also demanding unrestricted immigration? Has anyone actually said that?
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