Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
London424 said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
London424 said:
EU interference in the Brexit vote?
Yeah you're right. Can't think of any comments that made it on to media (social or otherwise) platforms at all in the run up to the vote.
Can you offer information on any large scale foreign government sponsored digital operations whose specific intention was to bolster the remain vote?Yeah you're right. Can't think of any comments that made it on to media (social or otherwise) platforms at all in the run up to the vote.
The European Commission twitter page in the last day is a great example of misinformation.
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/930446664...
Have a read through the 9 tweets and let me know what you think.
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Eddie Strohacker said:
Which means what? They're not there, you don't log in? You only use it for kitten pictures? You have no friends?
The fundamental purpose of Facebook is to serve adverts to users & it does this very effectively. In the context of this discussion, the posts above are intended to denigrate the notion that social media is being exploited by foreign governments for the express purpose of influencing people. The evidence is growing that this is being done on an industrial scale & is easily found & well documented.
Again I find it bizarre that UK citizens would as a default position discount the notion of a foreign power interfering in UK affairs without questioning the wider implications if that campaigning aligns with their own ideological goals. Party before country & all that.
I use Facebook for its intended purpose of keeping in touch with people and as i have said never seen a political message or advert and neither I dare say have a great deal of its UK members.The fundamental purpose of Facebook is to serve adverts to users & it does this very effectively. In the context of this discussion, the posts above are intended to denigrate the notion that social media is being exploited by foreign governments for the express purpose of influencing people. The evidence is growing that this is being done on an industrial scale & is easily found & well documented.
Again I find it bizarre that UK citizens would as a default position discount the notion of a foreign power interfering in UK affairs without questioning the wider implications if that campaigning aligns with their own ideological goals. Party before country & all that.
If there is evidence that Russia was tampering with ballot boxes then that is interesting. A few posts on social media isn't massive manipulation of the UK political system and as others have pointed out there was plenty of foreign intervention on the Remain side.
TTwiggy said:
I spent much of the 1990s training to go to war with the USSR/Russia. I'm so delighted to see so many people are now happy to roll over and let them influence our politics via covert methods. Still, I guess that as long as they are 'on message' the fact that they were, and still are, a hostile foreign power is just tickety-boo.
Before you go all James Bond, you may want to give some of the examples of what a Team Remain is getting excited about , it might get you a better reaction if you give examples of specific tweets or posts to see what exposure they got and what influence they might have had.So far all I've seen is fake posters with next to zero following saying they are voting Brexit. Interestingly, not all the fake accounts were backing Brexit, I heard it described on the BBC as most though. Some more context needed before everyone wets the bed abouts Reds being under them .
Eddie Strohacker said:
jsf said:
Have you read those documents Eddie?
I don't have to. It's as plain as the nose on my face you, like jinx, London 424 & all the rest before you can't make the distinction between a public body doing stuff & a covert, deception based disinformation operation.Jockman said:
How do we measure the effectiveness of any interference?
I'm not on twitter nor Facebook. I tend just to listen to the wife, Svetlana.
Easy. I'm not on twitter nor Facebook. I tend just to listen to the wife, Svetlana.
If it supported the Leave case, then it was so effective it tipped the balance. Leavers are gullible fools.
If it supported the Remain case, it wasn't even listened to as Remainers are too intelligent to fall for it.
mx5nut told me this.
gooner1 said:
TTwiggy said:
I meant that anyone posting such suspicions would not be taken seriously. And I don't really see how posting those suspicions on a car forum would help anything.
Strange then that there were so many posts re the suspicions that Santabarbara was a Russian bot,on this very car forum.
Oh well we'll never know now will we
Eddie Strohacker said:
JagLover said:
I have never seen a political post on Facebook.
Which means what? They're not there, you don't log in? You only use it for kitten pictures? You have no friends?Anybody who truly believes that in 2017, social media activity has no impact on the real world is very much mistaken. There will not be a single person in the UK not influenced by social media. Can anybody name one?
Odd that Brexiteers assume it was only being done on their side when the reality is it'll be happening across the board. Some guilty consciences in this thread.
jsf said:
and as we are discussing messaging techniques, i can highly recommend this lecture given by Mark Blyth called "Why Do People Continue To Believe Stupid Economic Ideas?"
Its really entertaining not only in its discussion, but also in his thoughts about Brexit and the EU.
I think most on here will enjoy it, remainer, leaver or meh voter.
https://youtu.be/lq3s-Ifx1Fo
Nice one, once again Blyth is enlightening in his analyses.Its really entertaining not only in its discussion, but also in his thoughts about Brexit and the EU.
I think most on here will enjoy it, remainer, leaver or meh voter.
https://youtu.be/lq3s-Ifx1Fo
mx5nut said:
It means that they're more subtle than screaming "VOTE X" at you.
Anybody who truly believes that in 2017, social media activity has no impact on the real world is very much mistaken. There will not be a single person in the UK not influenced by social media. Can anybody name one?
Odd that Brexiteers assume it was only being done on their side when the reality is it'll be happening across the board. Some guilty consciences in this thread.
Not sure anybody is denying Social Media has an impact on modern life.Anybody who truly believes that in 2017, social media activity has no impact on the real world is very much mistaken. There will not be a single person in the UK not influenced by social media. Can anybody name one?
Odd that Brexiteers assume it was only being done on their side when the reality is it'll be happening across the board. Some guilty consciences in this thread.
Could you show me one of the subtle Russian one's , one persuading voters to choose Leave, or Remain. Just curious to see if I can spot the covert
message, so don't tell which one you have posted. Ta.
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