Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
Eddie Strohacker said:
The issue is the account that produced that tweet is fake. It came from Russia. Take that on its own & so what? Multiply that by few thousands more accounts, all tweeting anti Muslim propaganda in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack on social media platforms that are designed to allow users to share posts & you are propagating false information very widely, very quickly. That is a foreign government interfering in UK political affairs & any reasonable patriot should have a problem with that.
Look around here though & you find a thoroughly perverse state of affairs where leave supporters rail endlessly about European interference in UK government - take back control, it's all about sovereignty yada, yada, are all cool with the Russian bot operations because the bots are all for Brexit & those same geniuses don't stop for even one second to consider why Russia is doing this, not an ounce of critical thought or reflection on the objectives of it all.
Russia is obviously doing this as they are our friends, want what is best for the UK, and want to see us prosper outside the EU, free us from the shackles of our evil overlords and what us to have the bigliest trade deals whilst at the same time building borders. As a gift they are going to give us the blueprints to der Mauer, experienced as they are with controlling their citizens. They have no interest in damaging the west, brexit won't do that, oh no.Look around here though & you find a thoroughly perverse state of affairs where leave supporters rail endlessly about European interference in UK government - take back control, it's all about sovereignty yada, yada, are all cool with the Russian bot operations because the bots are all for Brexit & those same geniuses don't stop for even one second to consider why Russia is doing this, not an ounce of critical thought or reflection on the objectives of it all.
gooner1 said:
Not sure anybody is denying Social Media has an impact on modern life.
Could you show me one of the subtle Russian one's , one persuading voters to choose Leave, or Remain. Just curious to see if I can spot the covert
message, so don't tell which one you have posted. Ta.
Listen, don't you realise. Could you show me one of the subtle Russian one's , one persuading voters to choose Leave, or Remain. Just curious to see if I can spot the covert
message, so don't tell which one you have posted. Ta.
IT WAS RUSSIANS
There is no proof or examples required. Just that it was them
Just like Clinton lost because of Russians And George Takei was accused because Russians spread the story 
Though of course the other issue is "Why would Russia want the UK out of the EU"
It weakens the EU of course, but beyond that it would make more sense to get someone elected who would assist them in ruining the EU from the inside if the goal was to wreck the harmony between the nations. Or affect economic changes
///ajd said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
The issue is the account that produced that tweet is fake. It came from Russia. Take that on its own & so what? Multiply that by few thousands more accounts, all tweeting anti Muslim propaganda in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack on social media platforms that are designed to allow users to share posts & you are propagating false information very widely, very quickly. That is a foreign government interfering in UK political affairs & any reasonable patriot should have a problem with that.
Look around here though & you find a thoroughly perverse state of affairs where leave supporters rail endlessly about European interference in UK government - take back control, it's all about sovereignty yada, yada, are all cool with the Russian bot operations because the bots are all for Brexit & those same geniuses don't stop for even one second to consider why Russia is doing this, not an ounce of critical thought or reflection on the objectives of it all.
Russia is obviously doing this as they are our friends, want what is best for the UK, and want to see us prosper outside the EU, free us from the shackles of our evil overlords and what us to have the bigliest trade deals whilst at the same time building borders. As a gift they are going to give us the blueprints to der Mauer, experienced as they are with controlling their citizens. They have no interest in damaging the west, brexit won't do that, oh no.Look around here though & you find a thoroughly perverse state of affairs where leave supporters rail endlessly about European interference in UK government - take back control, it's all about sovereignty yada, yada, are all cool with the Russian bot operations because the bots are all for Brexit & those same geniuses don't stop for even one second to consider why Russia is doing this, not an ounce of critical thought or reflection on the objectives of it all.
tdon'tbesilly said:
Jonesy23 said:
///ajd said:
Are you posting from St Petersburg?
Are you too? We should meet up for a drink!
Edited by don'tbesilly on Wednesday 15th November 23:22
Eddie Strohacker said:
gooner1 said:
Personally I think you're all full of st
You think? Well, you learn something new every day.tks.Not for voting Remain, or even refusing to accept the result of the referendum, no one cares about that.
///ajd said:
You’re a strange strange personmx5nut said:
Anybody who truly believes that in 2017, social media activity has no impact on the real world is very much mistaken. There will not be a single person in the UK not influenced by social media. Can anybody name one?
The first sentence I agree with, but the second is WAY too strong a claim.I am quite certain that I am not directly influenced by social media. I don’t have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, any of it. I do read - and occasionally participate in - the discussions here, but I don’t see that it influences my thinking.
Talking with my friends - few of whom are “on” social media of any sort - I’m sure they would assert that they are not directly influenced either.
To claim indirect influence is, of course, so much easier. And it would be impossible to “prove” otherwise. Therefore your claim belies the strength with which it is made.
WindyCommon said:
mx5nut said:
Anybody who truly believes that in 2017, social media activity has no impact on the real world is very much mistaken. There will not be a single person in the UK not influenced by social media. Can anybody name one?
The first sentence I agree with, but the second is WAY too strong a claim.I am quite certain that I am not directly influenced by social media. I don’t have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, any of it. I do read - and occasionally participate in - the discussions here, but I don’t see that it influences my thinking.
Talking with my friends - few of whom are “on” social media of any sort - I’m sure they would assert that they are not directly influenced either.
To claim indirect influence is, of course, so much easier. And it would be impossible to “prove” otherwise. Therefore your claim belies the strength with which it is made.
mx5nut said:
Nobody likes to think they are influenced by television adverts or billboards either, but yet companies still spend a fortune on them for some reason...
I'm not sure that is the point being made with regard to alleged Russian intervention. It's more about the covert approach. First it has to be established that this happened.
Secondly it's impact has to be assessed.
Jockman said:
I'm not sure that is the point being made with regard to alleged Russian intervention. It's more about the covert approach.
First it has to be established that this happened.
Secondly it's impact has to be assessed.
Whilst that is true, a number of leave supporters on these pages have queued up to question the effectiveness, the reach of social media & whether it's a thing at all. As pointed out yesterday, Russia is a long standing foe of the west & the perversity of brushing off the allegations can only be explained by the side of the argument the bots are pushing. Pro Brexit, anti Muslim and so on. It's bleeding obvious that were the bots pro remain, Corbyn, integration etc. there would be a 200 page thread on here demanding the government bombs Moscow.First it has to be established that this happened.
Secondly it's impact has to be assessed.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Whilst that is true, a number of leave supporters on these pages have queued up to question the effectiveness, the reach of social media & whether it's a thing at all. As pointed out yesterday, Russia is a long standing foe of the west & the perversity of brushing off the allegations can only be explained by the side of the argument the bots are pushing. Pro Brexit, anti Muslim and so on. It's bleeding obvious that were the bots pro remain, Corbyn, integration etc. there would be a 200 page thread on here demanding the government bombs Moscow.
Why do you have a problem with people questioning what is highly questionable?Mx5nut, a staunch reamainer, you'll agree, informs us that these Russian bots were also,
spreading pro remain propaganda. Which you bleeding obviously won't question Eh?
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