Labour Conference....total maddness or even possable ?
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sidicks said:
He claimed ‘vast sums’ - please explain how someone who should be paying the top rate of tax, can ‘squirrell away’ vast sums without paying tax.
Thank you.
Depends on your definition of vast. I suspect someone on ten quid an hour sees a few K in a different light than you.Thank you.
How many people own the business they work for, are on PAYE and employ their wife? How many consultants
It's risible for you to suggest that highly paid people on PAYE don't have access to tax mitigation strategies.
desolate said:
How many people own the business they work for, are on PAYE and employ their wife?
Trouble is, comrade, if you go after business owners and entrepreneurs, the who tax base will fall over pretty swiftly, and I'm not just saying that "because powerfully built company director".Breadvan72 said:
98elise said:
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Its asking if there would be no benefit should money still be taken on moral grounds, i.e. it should be taken on principal.
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"It's", not "its", and "principle", not "principal". One good thing about being a lefty is that you are rarely jealous of the linguistic prowess of the typical PH righty. There seems to be something about expressing conservative views on the internet and inability to spell, punctuate, or use grammar. Maybe it's something to do with all those posh schools that us chippy plebs are so jealous of. Its asking if there would be no benefit should money still be taken on moral grounds, i.e. it should be taken on principal.
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Edited by Breadvan72 on Tuesday 3rd October 09:52
I was bought up in a broken home in the Medway towns, went to a s
t school (Howard school for those that know it) , and went straight into the armed forces at 16. Not much scope for being posh, or going to a posh school. I am a product that sort of upbringing so my spelling and grammar are likewise st at times.I am however a high earner, because I've worked at my trade and put the hours in. I've also invested wisely. If someone wants to earn what i do there are no barriers to entry, all you need to do is commit about 20 years to gaining experience, putting your house and life savings on the line a few times, and starting a couple of businesses.
If someone else wants to take that way on moral grounds they can go f**k themselves.
(feel free to edit my grammer and spooling if you wish)
Digga said:
desolate said:
How many people own the business they work for, are on PAYE and employ their wife?
Trouble is, comrade, if you go after business owners and entrepreneurs, the who tax base will fall over pretty swiftly, and I'm not just saying that "because powerfully built company director".At no stage have I suggested "going after" the business owners and entrepreneurs. Why would I do that?
desolate said:
sidicks said:
He claimed ‘vast sums’ - please explain how someone who should be paying the top rate of tax, can ‘squirrell away’ vast sums without paying tax.
Thank you.
Depends on your definition of vast. I suspect someone on ten quid an hour sees a few K in a different light than you.Thank you.
How many people own the business they work for, are on PAYE and employ their wife? How many consultants
It's risible for you to suggest that highly paid people on PAYE don't have access to tax mitigation strategies.
Someone on Barclays payroll as a permanent employee making £150000 has virtually no wiggle room whatsoever beyond the same mechanisms available to the cleaner being paid £15000.
desolate said:
Depends on your definition of vast. I suspect someone on ten quid an hour sees a few K in a different light than you.
How many people own the business they work for, are on PAYE and employ their wife? How many consultants
It's risible for you to suggest that highly paid people on PAYE don't have access to tax mitigation strategies.
It is certainly risible of you to suggest I’ve said something entirely different to what I’ve actually said.How many people own the business they work for, are on PAYE and employ their wife? How many consultants
It's risible for you to suggest that highly paid people on PAYE don't have access to tax mitigation strategies.
It’s also nonsensical to suggest that the vast majority of PAYE employees can legally avoid ‘vast sums’ in taxes, simply by using an accountant. It’s simply untrue.
roachcoach said:
I thought it was obvious that "PAYE" generally meant people who are actually real employees, not self employed people who just use that to take their personal allowance.
Someone on Barclays payroll as a permanent employee making £150000 has virtually no wiggle room whatsoever beyond the same mechanisms available to the cleaner being paid £15000.
Rest assured, it was obvious to everyone else.Someone on Barclays payroll as a permanent employee making £150000 has virtually no wiggle room whatsoever beyond the same mechanisms available to the cleaner being paid £15000.
desolate said:
sidicks said:
See above...
There's been a lot of posting activity but I still can't see where it says that the "vast majority of PAYE employees"Soz.
A businessman paying himself 10 (or 11, or whatever) grand a year tax free to get the allowance literally underscores the point others are making.
roachcoach said:
Like I said, the common viewpoint of "people on PAYE" is that it is permies.
A businessman paying himself 10 (or 11, or whatever) grand a year tax free to get the allowance literally underscores the point others are making.
Sidicks is very exacting in his demands for precision in other people's posts. In no post of mine have i suggested that the "vast majority" of PAYE employees benefit in this way.A businessman paying himself 10 (or 11, or whatever) grand a year tax free to get the allowance literally underscores the point others are making.
Breadvan72 said:
Even by the usual loony PH standards, this level of minute discussion of a poll and the extrapolation from it of almost existential assumptions about many voters seems pretty, er... (I will leave people to insert their own adjectives).
It's only being dissected because people are fabricating scenarios beyond the simple context of the question.Breadvan72 said:
Does the religionisation of politics mean that people need to be able to demonise their opponents still further? All lefties are jealous of everyone else! All righties want to eat the poor!
#NotAllLefties?I think it's one thing to want to use progressive taxation to fund services we all need, or to help those who need it, and quite another to think that making rich people poorer is a desirable outcome in itself (as El Stovey appears to believe).
Edited by otolith on Tuesday 3rd October 13:06
desolate said:
roachcoach said:
Like I said, the common viewpoint of "people on PAYE" is that it is permies.
A businessman paying himself 10 (or 11, or whatever) grand a year tax free to get the allowance literally underscores the point others are making.
Sidicks is very exacting in his demands for precision in other people's posts. In no post of mine have i suggested that the "vast majority" of PAYE employees benefit in this way.A businessman paying himself 10 (or 11, or whatever) grand a year tax free to get the allowance literally underscores the point others are making.
However the reality is that anyone "rich" on what I'll term "mainstream PAYE" is paying a hilarious amount of tax and has less wiggle room than that of their gardener.
Rovinghawk said:
Breadvan72 said:
[Tugs forelock] Thank'ee Squire!
1) You're welcome, my good man.2) Have a small internet copper coin for your efforts.
[95% of NPE's vision of happy Britain, circa 2020]
sidicks said:
“Cranked up” did (twice!) or certainly words to that effect.
I can't find the post were he refers to 'vast majority'.I can see the one where he refers to 'vast sums' and I can see you referring to the 'vast majority' but I can't see crankedup's reference to same.
Sorry if I have missed it.
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