45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

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Blackpuddin

16,724 posts

207 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Been watching and occasionally contributing to this thread for a while now, it's an important topic, and I'm all for reasoned debate, but the continuous barrage of deflection, denial and rank gobbiness by two or three on here is getting very boring.

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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We will see, I don't bet on any outcome just saying it's too early to tell what will happen.

Vaud

51,014 posts

157 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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sugerbear said:
What you are seeing a short term blip. Once the offshore money is repatriated there will be a correction in the share price. All these one off bonuses will evaporate.

Great short term news if your money is invested in American company shares. Not sure about the longer term picture.
His pitch for a 2nd term will be “do you feel better off now vs before?”

minimoog

6,907 posts

221 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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AreOut said:
yeah because NK had no nuclear program and never threatened US until Trump became POTUS...
NK's belligerence has always been 'managed' diplomatically (with sanctions to back it up).

Trump acting like an equally belligerent tin-pot dictator in return is hardly going to cool things down. Still, a nice little war - thermonuclear or otherwise -should take the focus off the Mueller investigation, so I doubt he'll stop posturing anytime soon.

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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minimoog said:
NK's belligerence has always been 'managed' diplomatically (with sanctions to back it up).

Trump acting like an equally belligerent tin-pot dictator in return is hardly going to cool things down. Still, a nice little war - thermonuclear or otherwise -should take the focus off the Mueller investigation, so I doubt he'll stop posturing anytime soon.
so in your theory KJU is going to nuke Hawaii to make Trump strike back and totally destroy NK in order to take the focus off the Mueller investigation?

Halb

53,012 posts

185 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Tartan Pixie said:
This next century is going to see Darwin's tree of life create a new fork as robosapiens split off from homosapiens. Trumpism, islamism and other retrograde philosophies designed to promote one aspect of the human race over another will play their part in this transition but they are the impotent screams of people who've hit an evolutionary dead end. Multiracial globalism is the only future that offers that offers peace to all beings and a chance to reach for the stars.
ANdroids?

Halb

53,012 posts

185 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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fatbutt said:
This projecting against his hotels is probably the BEST idea anyone has so far in terms of how it will impact on Trump. This damages his brand and will have financial repercussions. Who will want to stay in a hotel with something like that on its side?
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Hmm, that may be accurate. If he thinks his brand will decline, he may vault.

paulguitar

24,174 posts

115 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Countdown said:
It's only Trumpettes so far who seem to be pushing the "I'd theory" I suppose on the grounds that it makes Trump look less imbecilic.

I say "less imbecilic" because you only have to look at some of Trump's numerous comments about KJU/North Korea to realise that even if he'd said "I'd have a good relationship with...." it is pure unadulterated bullst. He has called KJU Little fatty rocket man, threatened NK with "Fire and Fury" and boasted about his big nuclear button. What sort of fantasy land do you have to live in to genuinely believe that you'd have a "good relationship" with somebody after all that?

Now Trump may believe what he's saying (in which case he's a certifiable loon) or he doesn't believe what he's saying (in which case he's a liar). There's other evidence of him being a loon but there is far far more evidence of him being a liar. 2000+ proven lies in Year 1. And as I'm sure that even you have realised by now, his ONLY defence when his blatant lying is pointed out is to scream "FAKE NOOZE! FAKE NOOZE!". He does that because he's realised his supporters are way too lazy or gullible to look at the evidence.
Yep, this completely hits the nail on the head. How could he have anything other than a disastrous relationship with KJU after the way he has acted up to this point? It's just absurd to say anything like that at all, whether is was 'I' or 'I'd'...


minimoog

6,907 posts

221 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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AreOut said:
so in your theory KJU is going to nuke Hawaii to make Trump strike back and totally destroy NK in order to take the focus off the Mueller investigation?
Good grief. Is that really what you took from that?

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Gameface said:
Comey is not recorded IMO. If Trump releases tapes of something this trivial he'd have released any Comey tapes if they existed.

They probably started recording after the Comey thing and being caught lying yet again.
I think he probably does have recordings, only they prove that the conversation went exactly as Comey said.

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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minimoog said:
Good grief. Is that really what you took from that?
what else I could?

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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AreOut said:
minimoog said:
Good grief. Is that really what you took from that?
what else I could?

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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AreOut said:
minimoog said:
NK's belligerence has always been 'managed' diplomatically (with sanctions to back it up).

Trump acting like an equally belligerent tin-pot dictator in return is hardly going to cool things down. Still, a nice little war - thermonuclear or otherwise -should take the focus off the Mueller investigation, so I doubt he'll stop posturing anytime soon.
so in your theory KJU is going to nuke Hawaii to make Trump strike back and totally destroy NK in order to take the focus off the Mueller investigation?
He does rather protest a lot.
I didn't sexually abuse women, they are all liars (but I did pay some off just before the election)
I never said those things, on numerous occaisions when he did
I'm not racist - when he's proven on several occaisions he is
There was no collusion, when it's been proven there was

Yet his base lap this up. Right now the white supremacists are loving Trump again,

James Baldwin once put it: “I can’t believe what you say, because I see what you do.”

arfursleep

818 posts

106 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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AreOut said:
yeah must be Trump who pressed the button...
No (and you know it) but it is his job, upon being advised that it was a false alarm, to ensure that the people of his country knew it was a false alarm.

He has the capability and infrastructure available to him to do that at any time (even if it's a simple tweet but he could get on air (tv/radio) at least voice only in a matter of minutes) so therefore one has to conclude that not doing it was a deliberate / negligent act.

but you know, no biggee, people in a State of the Union only thought the world was ending...

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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remember..."I'm not racist"






Worth a read about how a president should behave
https://twitter.com/whoisgarylee/status/9521806301...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 15th January 12:39

fatbutt

2,718 posts

266 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Byker28i said:
Worth a read about how a president should behave
https://twitter.com/whoisgarylee/status/9521806301...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 15th January 12:39
Can't help but feel that Obama will go down as the last great US president. He had his flaws and made mistakes but in the overall scheme of things he did a fantastic job in unbelievable circumstances. Whoever comes after Trump, republican or democrat, will be playing by the same playbook Trump exploited so expect to see more celebrities, more blow hards and less career politicians.

With this administration US politics has changed; almost certainly for the worst.

p1stonhead

25,857 posts

169 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Anyone seen Letterman's new show 'My Next Guest' on Netflix? His first guest for an hour long chat is Obama.

The fall from grace to Trump is staggeringly evident throughout.

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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fatbutt said:
Byker28i said:
Worth a read about how a president should behave
https://twitter.com/whoisgarylee/status/9521806301...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 15th January 12:39
Can't help but feel that Obama will go down as the last great US president. He had his flaws and made mistakes but in the overall scheme of things he did a fantastic job in unbelievable circumstances. Whoever comes after Trump, republican or democrat, will be playing by the same playbook Trump exploited so expect to see more celebrities, more blow hards and less career politicians.

With this administration US politics has changed; almost certainly for the worst.
Michelle Obama could be a great candidate? Even Melania would do a better job

JagLover

42,794 posts

237 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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fatbutt said:
Can't help but feel that Obama will go down as the last great US president. He had his flaws and made mistakes but in the overall scheme of things he did a fantastic job in unbelievable circumstances. Whoever comes after Trump, republican or democrat, will be playing by the same playbook Trump exploited so expect to see more celebrities, more blow hards and less career politicians.
Dubious. Even Obamacare has massive flaws.

My nomination would be Clinton. His only crime was not realizing the world had changed and that behavior from a politician the media wouldn't bat an eyelid at a generation before would now attract far more scrutiny.

In his actual day job there was a balanced budget and welfare reform. Yes the rules surrounding lending to low income households were relaxed (and created the conditions for the financial crises), but these could have been tightened up again once it was clear what was going on.

del mar

2,838 posts

201 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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fatbutt said:
Can't help but feel that Obama will go down as the last great US president. He had his flaws and made mistakes but in the overall scheme of things he did a fantastic job in unbelievable circumstances. Whoever comes after Trump, republican or democrat, will be playing by the same playbook Trump exploited so expect to see more celebrities, more blow hards and less career politicians.

With this administration US politics has changed; almost certainly for the worst.
What exactly did Obama achieve that makes him "great" ?


Surely if Trump nukes somebody he will be seen as great by many !
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