Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
Anglade said:
Is it just me or does Salmond come across as a primary school child. The way he (yet again) avoided the reporters question on currency is very reminiscent of arguments I had in the school yard as a child.
This is what this debate has been about all along - Salmond fishing for sound bytes - and unfortunately Darling fell into this trap during the second debate.
At no point has it been stated that iScotland can't use the pound unilaterally. That's all Darling reiterated - yet Salmond has jumped all over it as if its an admission that a currency union is a certainty. When the sky reporter pointed this out to Salmond - he just mocked him like an 8 year old would. The only thing missing was him saying "nah, na, na-naaah, naaaah" and pulling tongues at the reporter.
That SKY news clip had me raging.....
Edited by mercGLowner on Thursday 28th August 12:47
TEKNOPUG said:
What's the figure of supposed iScot rUK debt post independence? Is it even big enough for rUK to be concerned about?
It'd be per capita or thereabouts wouldn't it. Therefore about 8-10% of the current UK total.IMO - iScotland should not only take its share of the debt - but it should also pay for the full costs of independence for the rUK too.
Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 28th August 12:51
TEKNOPUG said:
What's the figure of supposed iScot rUK debt post independence? Is it even big enough for rUK to be concerned about?
The UK Government had to reassure the markets in January that in the event of Scottish Independence the rUK would honour all debt issued up to the date of Independence. I don't believe that announcement resulted in any major changes to the value of UK debt which means:1. either the markets think that Scottish Independence is unlikely,
2. or that in the event of Independence the rUK would not have a problem being able to repay the debt.
Scottish share of the debt is about £150Bn - growing by £1Bn every month to pay for benefits and NHS and interest and the other things Scotland gets £1500 per person per year more for than people in the rUK.
After a Yes vote I think the SNP would still expect to the rUK to keep adding to its borrowing at £1Bn a month to pay for Scottish services, whilst at the same time negotiating on the basis of never paying it back. This is the will of the Scottish people apparently.
After a Yes vote I think the SNP would still expect to the rUK to keep adding to its borrowing at £1Bn a month to pay for Scottish services, whilst at the same time negotiating on the basis of never paying it back. This is the will of the Scottish people apparently.
ralphrj said:
2. or that in the event of Independence the rUK would not have a problem being able to repay the debt.
Indeed - rUK keeping 90% odd of north sea oil - plus not having to pay Scotland via the barnett formula should give us more than enough to cover the debt iScotland walk away from.If there is a shortfall - i'm sure we could always slap import duty on Scottish goods (afterall - they'll be outside the EU).
Edinburger said:
Funk said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Proud of you YES mates edinburgh?
Remind what you were saying about regimes that try to silence the other side?
Unreal. What a Remind what you were saying about regimes that try to silence the other side?
.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/video-fu...
Find this funny?
You never did tell me about regimes that try to silence the other side
Would now be a good time?
tangerine_sedge said:
Moonhawk said:
If there is a shortfall - i'm sure we could always slap import duty on Scottish goods (afterall - they'll be outside the EU).
Hold on a second!!! Import duty on Whisky? Stop right there!UK has previous in extracting its pound of flesh from vexatious debtors. In iScotlands case they will be so 'rich' the UK can squeeze and tax them to the hilt and they'll probably be OK. Alex says so. Good luck with that!
Proof of inherent racism in the SNP. What an absolute cow, this is the same woman that is special advisor to Alex Salmond, the same woman that said people who vote No are anti-Scottish, the same woman who is a disgrace to Scottish politics.
[b] Joan McAlpine, an SNP MSP for the south of Scotland, said: "The Tory toffs in the No campaign are obviously taking Scotland's voters for granted - just like in the days when they expected folk to doff their cap and tug their forelock.
"Despite cancelling this event under orders, the No campaign are obviously counting their pheasants and champagne in advance, which is very foolish." [/b]
Let's just say that a Tory MP called the SNP a bunch of tartan troos wearing, bagpipe playing, sheep shagging bunch of loonies - what do you think the SNP response would be.
Argh, I'm so embarassed that this bunch of fkwits are allowed to run my country and get away with it!
[b] Joan McAlpine, an SNP MSP for the south of Scotland, said: "The Tory toffs in the No campaign are obviously taking Scotland's voters for granted - just like in the days when they expected folk to doff their cap and tug their forelock.
"Despite cancelling this event under orders, the No campaign are obviously counting their pheasants and champagne in advance, which is very foolish." [/b]
Let's just say that a Tory MP called the SNP a bunch of tartan troos wearing, bagpipe playing, sheep shagging bunch of loonies - what do you think the SNP response would be.
Argh, I'm so embarassed that this bunch of f
kwits are allowed to run my country and get away with it! ///ajd said:
UK has previous in extracting its pound of flesh from vexatious debtors. In iScotlands case they will be so 'rich' the UK can squeeze and tax them to the hilt and they'll probably be OK. Alex says so. Good luck with that!
The UK has already used an EU veto threat to pressure for debt repayment from Iceland:http://www.icenews.is/2010/06/22/david-cameron-wil...
So, if Scotland does not pay, there is no reason to assume they won't do the same.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/video-fu...
Ah nationalists, shout loud enough and no 'Tory' (I.e. anyone who doesn't vote SNP apparently) can stop you.
Shouty idiots the lot of them, its why no one around here has NO stickers on their car. I have see a lot of big NO Thanks banners appearing recently in the local area, which is heartening.
Come on 18th, roll on so it all pisses off.
Ah nationalists, shout loud enough and no 'Tory' (I.e. anyone who doesn't vote SNP apparently) can stop you.
Shouty idiots the lot of them, its why no one around here has NO stickers on their car. I have see a lot of big NO Thanks banners appearing recently in the local area, which is heartening.
Come on 18th, roll on so it all pisses off.
There's a third outcome I'm not sure has been discussed much.
The vote merely signals that Scotland would like to be granted independence. It doesn't necessarily follow that Scotland WILL get independence; that is down to the decision in Westminster. What happens if, in the unlikely event of a yes vote, the UK Government turn out NOT to be scaremongering and deny Salmond the things he's petulantly demanded and told the Scottish people they will get? In that case, no independence? What happens if we tell Scotland that their terms are no in rUK's best interests and to sit down and shut up?
The vote merely signals that Scotland would like to be granted independence. It doesn't necessarily follow that Scotland WILL get independence; that is down to the decision in Westminster. What happens if, in the unlikely event of a yes vote, the UK Government turn out NOT to be scaremongering and deny Salmond the things he's petulantly demanded and told the Scottish people they will get? In that case, no independence? What happens if we tell Scotland that their terms are no in rUK's best interests and to sit down and shut up?
Edited by Funk on Thursday 28th August 13:45
I believe in the event of a Yes vote, independence WILL have to happen, but its at the mercy of the negotiations, and TBH Salmond's 18 month figure is laughable, are they trying to tell me a nation will be set and ready to start in 18 months after 300 years of being a single nation....erm...No.
Rick_1138 said:
I believe in the event of a Yes vote, independence WILL have to happen, but its at the mercy of the negotiations, and TBH Salmond's 18 month figure is laughable, are they trying to tell me a nation will be set and ready to start in 18 months after 300 years of being a single nation....erm...No.
Yep - Scotland will get independence, but it won't necessarily be the land of milk and honey the SNP seem to be promising.I do wonder whether there will be a backlash on the Scottish political system by those people who only voted yes on the back of these promises.....or will they pull out their victim cars and blame rUK for 'sabotaging' Scotland's independence.
Moonhawk said:
Rick_1138 said:
I believe in the event of a Yes vote, independence WILL have to happen, but its at the mercy of the negotiations, and TBH Salmond's 18 month figure is laughable, are they trying to tell me a nation will be set and ready to start in 18 months after 300 years of being a single nation....erm...No.
Yep - Scotland will get independence, but it won't necessarily be the land of milk and honey the SNP seem to be promising.I do wonder whether there will be a backlash on the Scottish political system by those people who only voted yes on the back of these promises.....or will they pull out their victim cars and blame rUK for 'sabotaging' Scotland's independence.
Thinking about it, I really do think we'd be better off without Scotland in all honesty. They cost more than they bring to the party right now, let alone in the future as their population ages and the oil receipts start to dwindle. Like an older, high mileage premium car, are we better off getting shot of it now before it starts causing even more trouble resulting in enormous bills to keep it running?
From a legal standpoint there is no reason why the result of the referendum has to be enacted, in other words no legal responsibility for it to happen.
Of course it is an expectation that independence would follow but only on terms agreed and only if those terms are accepted by Westminster where appropriate legislation has to be passed.
Of course it is an expectation that independence would follow but only on terms agreed and only if those terms are accepted by Westminster where appropriate legislation has to be passed.
I am truely rightened by the thoughts of what happens after a yes vote.
I can see iScotland having the potential to make a go of it admittedly at a high cost and with a significant drop in living standards in the short to medium term and if that is the will of the Scots then so be it.
My deal is for those souls who are reliant on Wee Al and his team representing them in the negotiations. I do not believe that for all of his passion in his cause that Wee Al and his support team have the negotiating skills or grasp of the magnitude of what they are trying to do. So much was missed or cobbled together in the white paper proposal that I can see them walking away from the table and having to spend years coming back because they forgot or assumed something or other. He will truely be out of his league.
The whole YeSNP driven independence movement looks like a school room project and not a very good one at that.
To those Scots on here, you have my sympathies if there is a yes vote - your leaders will screw you.
I can see iScotland having the potential to make a go of it admittedly at a high cost and with a significant drop in living standards in the short to medium term and if that is the will of the Scots then so be it.
My deal is for those souls who are reliant on Wee Al and his team representing them in the negotiations. I do not believe that for all of his passion in his cause that Wee Al and his support team have the negotiating skills or grasp of the magnitude of what they are trying to do. So much was missed or cobbled together in the white paper proposal that I can see them walking away from the table and having to spend years coming back because they forgot or assumed something or other. He will truely be out of his league.
The whole YeSNP driven independence movement looks like a school room project and not a very good one at that.
To those Scots on here, you have my sympathies if there is a yes vote - your leaders will screw you.
Edited by Starfighter on Thursday 28th August 14:40
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