Muslim protests in UK

[kuzushi]

kuzushi said:

Colonial said:

So you have absolutely no proof but it is fact?

Proof of what? What's a fact?

Colonial said:

Not all Catholics are kiddie fiddlers. Not all Christians are represented by far right militias in the US. Not all Muslims are extremists. Not all Buddhists wear orange robes.

Indeed. But no one is saying that all Catholics are kiddie fiddlers, or that all Muslims are extremists.

However, the Catholic church has had a bit of a problem with kiddie fiddling, and they have faced up to it and apologised and are taking steps to deal with it, they haven't tried to brush it off saying "We don't have a monopoly on kiddie fiddlers". Islam seems to have a bit of a problem with terrorism and intimidation, but rather than saying, "Yeah, there is a bit of a problem", they tend to blame it all on the media and seem to be in denial.

[robmlufc]

kuzushi said:

However, the Catholic church has had a bit of a problem with kiddie fiddling, and they have faced up to it and apologised and are taking steps to deal with it, they haven't tried to brush it off saying "We don't have a monopoly on kiddie fiddlers". Islam seems to have a bit of a problem with terrorism and intimidation, but rather than saying, "Yeah, there is a bit of a problem", they tend to blame it all on the media and seem to be in denial.

The media don't really help matters either, they seem too worried about offending the easily offended religion of peace.

[Countdown]

robmlufc said:

The media don't really help matters either, they seem too worried about offending the easily offended religion of peace.

Yes I've noticed that as well. You rarely see any articles that could be perceived as critical of Muslims.

It's a conspiracy.

[kuzushi]

Countdown said:

Yes I've noticed that as well. You rarely see any articles that could be perceived as critical of Muslims.

It's a conspiracy.

What do you make of this?
"Christian Convert Beheaded on Egyptian TV
GodReports has this terrible story:

Video footage of a convert from Islam to Christianity being murdered by Muslims has been shown on Egyptian TV, according to the Barnabas Fund.

The graphic incident, which is reported to have taken place in Tunisia, was aired on a program called Egypt Today.

The footage shows a young man being held down by masked men with a knife to his throat. One man chants a number of Muslim prayers in Arabic, mostly condemning Christianity. The man holding the knife to the Christian convert’s throat begins to cut, slowly severing the head amid cries of “Allahu Akbar” (“god is great”)."



http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2012/07/chri...

[essexplumber]

kuzushi said:

Countdown said:

Yes I've noticed that as well. You rarely see any articles that could be perceived as critical of Muslims.

It's a conspiracy.

What do you make of this?
"Christian Convert Beheaded on Egyptian TV
GodReports has this terrible story:

Video footage of a convert from Islam to Christianity being murdered by Muslims has been shown on Egyptian TV, according to the Barnabas Fund.

The graphic incident, which is reported to have taken place in Tunisia, was aired on a program called Egypt Today.

The footage shows a young man being held down by masked men with a knife to his throat. One man chants a number of Muslim prayers in Arabic, mostly condemning Christianity. The man holding the knife to the Christian convert’s throat begins to cut, slowly severing the head amid cries of “Allahu Akbar” (“god is great”)."



http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2012/07/chri...

That's barbaric (if true) and carried out because that bloke doesn't belive in the same immaginary (sp) freind as the other bloke.

All religion should be eradicated. Ban it being taught in schools, shut down every church, mosque or place of worship there is.

[kuzushi]

essexplumber said:

That's barbaric (if true) and carried out because that bloke doesn't belive in the same immaginary (sp) freind as the other bloke.

All religion should be eradicated. Ban it being taught in schools, shut down every church, mosque or place of worship there is.

I'd hope that muslims would react by agreeing that as people are doing this in the name of islam then there is a problem. Instead I expect they'll just get offended that someone is pointing out that there's a problem.

[Bill]

kuzushi said:

I'd hope that muslims would react by agreeing that as people are doing this in the name of islam then there is a problem. Instead I expect they'll just get offended that someone is pointing out that there's a problem.

Which muslims should agree with you?

There is a problem with extremism, but this was done in Tunisia by a bunch of nutters claiming Islamic justification. Any moderate Muslim could reasonably say that it has nothing to do with them.

As an example, you have an issue with islam. So did Anders Breivik. So are you part of the problem as Breivik claims to represent you, or is the extremist?

[blindswelledrat]

kuzushi said:

I'd hope that muslims would react by agreeing that as people are doing this in the name of islam then there is a problem. Instead I expect they'll just get offended that someone is pointing out that there's a problem.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when an opinion like yours is based on prejudice and total and absolute refusal to listen or take any consideration of anything said in opposition to your opinion, then it is a bigotted and invalid one.
That is just a stupid post, like so many others of yours. You just totally invent almost everything you say. "ooo, the prophet was based in Auswich and it was him who gassed the jews" one minute, or another "Ooo, all muslims love a beheading. It is thier favourite sport".
If you went out and asked 10000 random muslims whether that beheading was acceptable 9999 would say "Of course it isn't. Silly question".
None of them would say "OOoo, I am offended. You are critisising our ways".
Just fking stupid

Edited by blindswelledrat on Thursday 11th October 09:30

[Mermaid]

blindswelledrat said:

If you went out and asked 10000 random muslims whether that beheading was acceptable 9999 would say "Of course it isn't. Silly question".
None of them would say "OOoo, I am offended. You are criticising our ways".

& if you asked the the same people whether the Danish cartoonists should be beheaded?

[blindswelledrat]

Mermaid said:

& if you asked the the same people whether the Danish cartoonists should be beheaded?

The same. It is the same question.
What's your point?
Can you honestly not seperate in your head the difference between 'violent extremist muslims' and 'muslims'?
I

Edited by blindswelledrat on Thursday 11th October 09:37

[robmlufc]

blindswelledrat said:

The same. It is the same question.
What's your point?

So what was the rioting all over the world about, Muslims tell us it was because they were offended because of a film on YouTube?

[blindswelledrat]

robmlufc said:

So what was the rioting all over the world about, Muslims tell us it was because they were offended because of a film on YouTube?

I havent seen the film, nor know the exact numbers of people demonstrating so I can't really form any opinion on that. Unlike others on this thread I dont really take guesses and make assumptions about what/why.
What I do know is that the films did not merely contain the question "Do you think that this beheading is accepetable" which is what we are talking about so Im not really sure why you are trying to connect the two.

[zygalski]

blindswelledrat said:

Mermaid said:

& if you asked the the same people whether the Danish cartoonists should be beheaded?

The same. It is the same question.
What's your point?
Can you honestly not seperate in your head the difference between 'violent extremist muslims' and 'muslims'?
I

Edited by blindswelledrat on Thursday 11th October 09:37

I work with a few Muslims & they are all totally ashamed about what 0.001% of their religion get up to.
Threads like this are great pointers to who are the racist, non-thinking idiots though.

[robmlufc]

blindswelledrat said:

I havent seen the film, nor know the exact numbers of people demonstrating so I can't really form any opinion on that. Unlike others on this thread I dont really take guesses and make assumptions about what/why.
What I do know is that the films did not merely contain the question "Do you think that this beheading is accepetable" which is what we are talking about so Im not really sure why you are trying to connect the two.

Two replies up you were talking about Muslims being easily offended, thats why I mentioned. Check out the videos and reports of the rioting, it didn't appear to be one or two extremists.

[Bill]

robmlufc said:

Two replies up you were talking about Muslims being easily offended, thats why I mentioned. Check out the videos and reports of the rioting, it didn't appear to be one or two extremists.

More people took to the streets in London whinging about the banks, so did they speak for you as a fellow Brit or are they just shouty idiots?

[blindswelledrat]

robmlufc said:

Two replies up you were talking about Muslims being easily offended, thats why I mentioned. Check out the videos and reports of the rioting, it didn't appear to be one or two extremists.

What's in the film? What were they angry about? What makes you say it wasn't a few extremists?
I'm not saying you are wrong, Im just saying between us we are completely devoid of facts about this. THe difference between us is that in that circumstance I won't form any kind of opinions as I recognise my own ignorance.
If you fancy tarring a couple of billion people as irrational extremists then maybe you should watch the film and decide whether or not you think they have a right to be angry and find out what kind of proportion of muslims were involved in any rioting.
Ironically you seem to be emphasising the rioting as indication of extremism, whereas half of the muslim world has spend the last couple of years rioting against thier own extreme leadership.

[Mermaid]

zygalski said:

I work with a few Muslims & they are all totally ashamed about what 0.001% of their religion get up to.
Threads like this are great pointers to who are the racist, non-thinking idiots though.

Most Muslims just want to get on with their lives, but when Islam/Mohammed is insulted many more see red-mist . They need to lighten up, and that will improve matters.

Here's the message from the Secretary General from the moderate Muslim Council of GB

Sir Iqbal Abdul Karim Mussain Sacranie, OBE (born Malawi, 1951) served as Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) until June 2006. He arrived in UK in 1969. He was founding Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain (established 1997), and served four further years as Secretary General from 2002 to 2004 and 2004 to 2006. He was honoured with an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in 1999, and was Knighted by the Queen in 2005.[1]
On January 3, 2006, Sacranie told BBC Radio 4's PM programme that he believes homosexuality is "not acceptable", and denounced same-sex civil partnerships as "harmful". He said that bringing in gay marriage did "not augur well" for building the foundations of society.[2][3][4] He also stated, referring to Salman Rushdie, shortly after the fatwa by Iranian religious leader Ayatollah Khomeini, “Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah.

[robmlufc]

blindswelledrat said:

What's in the film? What were they angry about? What makes you say it wasn't a few extremists?
I'm not saying you are wrong, Im just saying between us we are completely devoid of facts about this. THe difference between us is that in that circumstance I won't form any kind of opinions as I recognise my own ignorance.
If you fancy tarring a couple of billion people as irrational extremists then maybe you should watch the film and decide whether or not you think they have a right to be angry and find out what kind of proportion of muslims were involved in any rioting.
Ironically you seem to be emphasising the rioting as indication of extremism, whereas half of the muslim world has spend the last couple of years rioting against thier own extreme leadership.

I would say the differences between us are that you will conveniently not form opinions when it does not suit, whereas I don't like to keep my head in the sand. I call rioting and murdering, because a film paints you in a light you don't like to be seen in or a cartoon pokes a bit of fun, as extreme.

Mermaid said:

“Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah.

And thats the moderate bunch..

[blindswelledrat]

robmlufc said:

I would say the differences between us are that you will conveniently not form opinions when it does not suit, whereas I don't like to keep my head in the sand. I call rioting and murdering, because a film paints you in a light you don't like to be seen in or a cartoon pokes a bit of fun, as extreme.

There we have it. You have decided that the contents of the film "pokes a bit of fun". You have made this conclusions without any knowledge whatsoever of it's contents and without seeing it.
The reason you have invented in your own mind what is in the films is so it fits in neatly with your pre-concieved views and not because you ar worried about keeping your 'head in the sand'.

[robmlufc]

blindswelledrat said:

There we have it. You have decided that the contents of the film "pokes a bit of fun". You have made this conclusions without any knowledge whatsoever of it's contents and without seeing it.
The reason you have invented in your own mind what is in the films is so it fits in neatly with your pre-concieved views and not because you ar worried about keeping your 'head in the sand'.

The film doesn't poke fun so much, just paints Islam in a light it doesn't like to be seen.

What makes you presume I haven't seen the film? Its on YouTube, go watch it and give us your feedback. But in the meantime feel free to keep making presumptions ;-)