UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda
Discussion
s1962a said:
I do find this puzzling. The current government have created an absolute stshow with this Rwanda policy, and spunked our hard earned tax money in the process. Rather than debate the merits of what they are doing and what they should do better, the response is that the other lot would be worse?? How bad do things have to get for you to admit how ill conceived and a waste of money this idea actually is?
No doubt it’s a waste of money but there isn’t a solution to this. Let them all in, give them houses and benefits and there will be fleets of small boats coming over daily. Send them back home if you can find out where home is is against their human rights (probably). It’s a massive headache for any government. Unreal said:
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Unreal said:
Labour will grant anyone here an amnesty. Backlog cleared overnight.
Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks. 272BHP said:
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Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?E63eeeeee... said:
272BHP said:
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Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?lornemalvo said:
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272BHP said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?E63eeeeee... said:
272BHP said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?Vanden Saab said:
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272BHP said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?E63eeeeee... said:
Vanden Saab said:
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272BHP said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?E63eeeeee... said:
Vanden Saab said:
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272BHP said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?Vanden Saab said:
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Vanden Saab said:
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272BHP said:
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Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?What do you think is the difference between failed asylum seeker returns and other returns?
BoRED S2upid said:
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Vanden Saab said:
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272BHP said:
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Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?E63eeeeee... said:
BoRED S2upid said:
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Vanden Saab said:
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272BHP said:
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Pretty sure they won't, since they've already said they'll process the claims. I wonder how many more times we'll see this lie over the next six weeks.
Isn't "processing all the claims" exactly the same thing but over several months?PRTVR said:
If it was "not hard" do you not think it would be done now ? We have a very efficient legal system that works to keep them here, repeated appeals make the process go on for years, then a lot of countries are refusing to take them back, Pakistan is the latest, so what then ?
You say it’s hard. But we are materially worse at processing than we were 16 or so years agos1962a said:
I do find this puzzling. The current government have created an absolute stshow with this Rwanda policy, and spunked our hard earned tax money in the process. Rather than debate the merits of what they are doing and what they should do better, the response is that the other lot would be worse?? How bad do things have to get for you to admit how ill conceived and a waste of money this idea actually is?
Whether you agree with illegal migration or not it is clear now that Rwanda was always intended by the Tories as a gesture to placate their voters rather than as a policy intended to be implemented to deter migrants from crossing the channel. Labour will soon have to confront the same issue but perhaps with more honesty. I expect that numbers will grow with Labour's approach but that will be for another day.
blueg33 said:
PRTVR said:
If it was "not hard" do you not think it would be done now ? We have a very efficient legal system that works to keep them here, repeated appeals make the process go on for years, then a lot of countries are refusing to take them back, Pakistan is the latest, so what then ?
You say it’s hard. But we are materially worse at processing than we were 16 or so years agoThe idea that processing will be speeded up and tens of thousands returned to their country of origin is risible. It didn't happen under a supposed right of centre government with a thumping majority. It isn't going to happen under a left of centre one.
What people have to understand is that the key power brokers in the Labour Party have no issue with immigration. They see controls as regressive and racist. As a result, there's not a hope in hell of them clearing the backlog by speeding up processing and removing people. The answer is to clear the backlog at a stroke with an amnesty and to make it easier for new arrivals to obtain asylum. That will just make crossing the channel crossing even more attractive.
I'm sure it will work out just fine.
What people have to understand is that the key power brokers in the Labour Party have no issue with immigration. They see controls as regressive and racist. As a result, there's not a hope in hell of them clearing the backlog by speeding up processing and removing people. The answer is to clear the backlog at a stroke with an amnesty and to make it easier for new arrivals to obtain asylum. That will just make crossing the channel crossing even more attractive.
I'm sure it will work out just fine.
PRTVR said:
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You have to process them first, the recent collapse of asylum processing and the various stupid distractions are why we have a massive backlog and are spending a fortune on hotels. Processing isn't hard, like I said, it just needs resourcing.
If it was "not hard" do you not think it would be done now ? We have a very efficient legal system that works to keep them here, repeated appeals make the process go on for years, then a lot of countries are refusing to take them back, Pakistan is the latest, so what then ?The head of the unit at the HO appeared before the HC committee a few no the ago, cannot find the link now, the issue is lack of staff, high turnovers of staff, and lack of systems. The latter means it very hard to keep track of addresses and phone numbers. So making appointments was a nightmare.
Iirc the government reduced the waiting list by removing those they could no longer contact.
As for your comments about legal system you seem to be basing your research on the Daily Mail. Better sources are advised.
While lawyers will advise clients on how to present their case it's highly unlikely anything will go to appeal until decision. Since about 65% are successful no appeal is required. Of the 35% who are rejected about 30% appeal and of those about half succeed.
You cannot appeal for no reason. You need to prove material evidence was missed or has now come to light or the decision did not apply the law correctly. You would normally only get one appeal. To get an appeal to a higher court you would need to convince the appeal court there was an error in law. Such cases are rare and normally only happen when the law is unclear.
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