Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter

[robm3]

Was listening to the Joe Rogan Podcast with Musk recently.
I'm glad he brought Twitter and do think his freedom of speech message is correct.

Now he needs to launch a more balanced browser service and compete with Google, which is also subtly leaning towards one direction.

[RichTT]

dobbo_ said:

For someone that claims to not support Musk you do an astonishingly bad job of showing it.

Either the advert appeared or it didn't. That's it.

Did the advert show?

If so why?

Really simple dots to connect, unless you desperately don't want to.

I support his efforts to maintain at least some semblance of free speech and open opinion on the Internet in a main stream setting. As a person I'm ambivalent about him as his true aims appear opaque. Judge him by the results, not by the intentions.

Apparently yes the advert appeared. I've never contested that.

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

[Byker28i]

RichTT said:

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

Is there proof of this other than musk claiming it?

[Byker28i]

Musk claims he's not anti-semitic, corrected by community notes

[RichTT]

Byker28i said:

RichTT said:

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

Is there proof of this other than musk claiming it?

At this current time there is just as much evidence of it happening as there is evidence of manipulation.

Brandolini's law in effect.

[Durzel]

Byker28i said:

RichTT said:

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

Is there proof of this other than musk claiming it?

This, along with the vaunted “free speech” we keep hearing about that we’re all blessed to receive now is amorphic. I wonder if the people that parrot it uncritically can even articulate what it is at anything beyond surface level platitudes.

[jameswills]

Byker28i said:

RichTT said:

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

Is there proof of this other than musk claiming it?

Yes, look up “the Twitter files” and Matt Taibbi. Start here:

https://twitterfiles.substack.com/p/1-thread-the-t...

[RichTT]

Byker28i said:

Musk claims he's not anti-semitic, corrected by community notes

These are proposed community notes, that don't appear to have made it past being 'proposed'. Anyone can propose a community note, the community then votes it live.

This is the OP tweet that the responder (@breakingbaht) replied to. Neither of which is stating 'Hitler was right'. The OP correctly calling out anyone that was hiding behind an anonymous account to do so.

@breakingbaht then calling out the hypocrisy of some Jewish communities who align themselves firmly on the Democratic left (70% vote Dems), welcoming open border policies and high immigration, supporting groups like ADL and MM who most definitely spin an anti-white / Christian / western bias in their reporting and rhetoric. Who have funded decades of divisive identity politics education programs.

These very same Jewish communities who are now realising that the very people they are welcoming into the country don't actually like them (or rather, the state of Israel and the Zionists) and that the left aligned college level are far more sympathetic to the plight of the 'underdog' Palestinians (Hamas adjacent sympathies of freedom fighters etc) having been essentially radicalised by liberal left institutions over the last couple of decades. This is because they have been taught not to think, but to think that emotions are 'thinking'. They are incapable of thinking critically because they are cocooned in their safe spaces, with trigger warnings and not confronted with actual debate or opposition views.

[Byker28i]

RichTT said:

Byker28i said:

RichTT said:

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

Is there proof of this other than musk claiming it?

At this current time there is just as much evidence of it happening as there is evidence of manipulation.

Brandolini's law in effect.

No you're making bold claims, I asked you where your proof is of this that you've seen?
It shouldn't be hard for you to back this up? I'm just asking for the additional evidence of this manipulation other than what Musk has claimed. Lets see it from both sides.

I mean trumps tame white supremacists has repeated it

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 20th November 06:50

[Byker28i]

jameswills said:

Byker28i said:

RichTT said:

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud.

Is there proof of this other than musk claiming it?

Yes, look up “the Twitter files” and Matt Taibbi. Start here:

https://twitterfiles.substack.com/p/1-thread-the-t...

Ah that was indeed cherry picking to try to prove something that wasn't, taking things out of context.
It was pulled apart and in fact Musk dropped Taibbi like a hot potatoe when it all fell apart.

[Byker28i]

Claims that the disinformation increase on twitter about trumps insurrection attempt, is because CEO Linda Yaccarino has put her own son in charge of selling Twitter advertising to GOP candidates in hope of a 2024 windfall
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1726389948318...

[AW111]

RichTT said:

These are proposed community notes, that don't appear to have made it past being 'proposed'. Anyone can propose a community note, the community then votes it live.

This is the OP tweet that the responder (@breakingbaht) replied to. Neither of which is stating 'Hitler was right'. The OP correctly calling out anyone that was hiding behind an anonymous account to do so.

@breakingbaht then calling out the hypocrisy of some Jewish communities who align themselves firmly on the Democratic left (70% vote Dems), welcoming open border policies and high immigration, supporting groups like ADL and MM who most definitely spin an anti-white / Christian / western bias in their reporting and rhetoric. Who have funded decades of divisive identity politics education programs.

These very same Jewish communities who are now realising that the very people they are welcoming into the country don't actually like them (or rather, the state of Israel and the Zionists) and that the left aligned college level are far more sympathetic to the plight of the 'underdog' Palestinians (Hamas adjacent sympathies of freedom fighters etc) having been essentially radicalised by liberal left institutions over the last couple of decades. This is because they have been taught not to think, but to think that emotions are 'thinking'. They are incapable of thinking critically because they are cocooned in their safe spaces, with trigger warnings and not confronted with actual debate or opposition views.

I can't be bothered to dissect this, so I'll just state that it's full of culture-war bullst about the big bad left, and leave it there.

[RichTT]

Byker28i said:

No you're making bold claims, I asked you where your proof is of this that you've seen? It shouldn't be hard for you to back this up? I'm just asking for the additional evidence of this manipulation other than what Musk has claimed. Lets see it from both sides.

Evidence of Musk's claims? Yet to be seen other than the statement made by him and other members of X. In the same way that MM's evidence is apparently just screenshots of these occurrences. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, at the moment we have neither. Musk hasn't denied it happened, his claim is that given the organic impressions on a daily basis, and their manipulation of the platform, that the actual occurrences are around 0.00000009% of advertising impressions. So essentially never.

"Of the 5.5 billion ad impressions on X that day, less than 50 total ad impressions were served against all of the organic content featured in the Media Matters article,”

However, spin is their bread and butter. A Democratic aligned group that has a historic record of manipulating public opinion and media talking points through dissemination of bias data and scripted media narratives that do not align with reality.



Lets not forget that Super PACs have immense sway on media outlets (who we already know self-censor specific talking points) and command immense sums of money. Correct the Record was founded in 2016 (see below chart) and whilst defunct now, the trend was set for massive manipulation of the main stream media coverage.

https://www.influencewatch.org/political-party/cor...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/04/nonprofit-financed...

[RichTT]

AW111 said:

I can't be bothered to dissect this, so I'll just state that it's full of culture-war bullst about the big bad left, and leave it there.

Wood for the trees.

The culture war (identity politics) was started by, and continues to be funded by the left. Now it's biting them in the arse.

[dobbo_]

RichTT said:

Apparently yes the advert appeared. I've never contested that.

Why? Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

They can't force twitter to show an ad whatever their motivation is. If it's possible for it to appear that's it.

If it can appear, then it can appear again. Arguing about the how is irrelevant, it's the why that matters.

[Chipper]

AW111 said:

RichTT said:

These are proposed community notes, that don't appear to have made it past being 'proposed'. Anyone can propose a community note, the community then votes it live.

This is the OP tweet that the responder (@breakingbaht) replied to. Neither of which is stating 'Hitler was right'. The OP correctly calling out anyone that was hiding behind an anonymous account to do so.

@breakingbaht then calling out the hypocrisy of some Jewish communities who align themselves firmly on the Democratic left (70% vote Dems), welcoming open border policies and high immigration, supporting groups like ADL and MM who most definitely spin an anti-white / Christian / western bias in their reporting and rhetoric. Who have funded decades of divisive identity politics education programs.

These very same Jewish communities who are now realising that the very people they are welcoming into the country don't actually like them (or rather, the state of Israel and the Zionists) and that the left aligned college level are far more sympathetic to the plight of the 'underdog' Palestinians (Hamas adjacent sympathies of freedom fighters etc) having been essentially radicalised by liberal left institutions over the last couple of decades. This is because they have been taught not to think, but to think that emotions are 'thinking'. They are incapable of thinking critically because they are cocooned in their safe spaces, with trigger warnings and not confronted with actual debate or opposition views.

I can't be bothered to dissect this, so I'll just state that it's full of culture-war bullst about the big bad left, and leave it there.

Ah, your dazzling intellect shines through once again. Your enlightening post on social justice and the delicate balance between left and right perspectives has bestowed upon me a newfound sense of self-worth. I can't help but marvel at your subtle suggestion that everyone should unquestionably agree with your profound insights, particularly appreciating the gentle touch of labelling opposing views as a mere "load of culture war.-@@@@

[RichTT]

Byker28i said:

Ah that was indeed cherry picking to try to prove something that wasn't, taking things out of context.
It was pulled apart and in fact Musk dropped Taibbi like a hot potatoe when it all fell apart.

They fell out because Musk was deboosting links to Substack which Matt was using as his writing platform. He had asked that all the Twitter files were published their first. I don't agree with his decision to do this but obviously he's looking at it as a way to push people to publishing more on X rather than driving traffic to competitors.

I do however agree that there was a lot of spin on the Twitter files part from Taibbi, massively overstating a lot of data he had, or just plainly misreading the data presented. Most of the 'censorship' came from internal left aligned company members rather than Government intervention / collusion to specific cases. However, it's still censorship of opinion.

[Byker28i]

Twitters CEO facing calls to resign.
Seems others don't have the view it was manipulated
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnpaczkowski/2023/1...

[durbster]

RichTT said:

Byker28i said:

No you're making bold claims, I asked you where your proof is of this that you've seen? It shouldn't be hard for you to back this up? I'm just asking for the additional evidence of this manipulation other than what Musk has claimed. Lets see it from both sides.

Evidence of Musk's claims? Yet to be seen other than the statement made by him and other members of X. In the same way that MM's evidence is apparently just screenshots of these occurrences. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, at the moment we have neither. Musk hasn't denied it happened, his claim is that given the organic impressions on a daily basis, and their manipulation of the platform, that the actual occurrences are around 0.00000009% of advertising impressions. So essentially never.

"Of the 5.5 billion ad impressions on X that day, less than 50 total ad impressions were served against all of the organic content featured in the Media Matters article,”

This doesn't make sense. How can you believe Musk's claim that it's practically impossible for this to happen naturally, and then also believe his claim that somebody was able to instigate it manually? Both those statements are contradictory - they can't both be true.

The fact is:

• the content is on there and stays on there for a good while because they don't have the moderators to deal with it.
• the adverts are also on there.

At some point those two facts will inevitably converge. Why wouldn't they?

RichTT said:

said:

"Of the 5.5 billion ad impressions...

...However, spin is their bread and butter.

Spin?

You believe what he says about how many ad impressions they get each day do you?

[Byker28i]

RichTT said:

Evidence of Musk's claims? Yet to be seen other than the statement made by him and other members of X. In the same way that MM's evidence is apparently just screenshots of these occurrences.

But you made the claim of "Because they manipulated the platform to produce a situation that is not representative of a typical user in order to push an agenda. Which is what they do as an organisation.

It's not hard to fathom that this is unethical and possibly fraud."

So these unethical, fraud and other serious claims, which have been echoed for 2-3 days have nothing to back these up these up yet other than Musk/twitters statement. OK - just so we understand that you've made this clear now.