Israel invaded

[Gecko1978]

Ridgemont said:

911hope said:

don'tbesilly said:

911hope said:

Worse case scenario is that the Israeli's intend to exterminate or expell all Palestinians from Gaza.

Do the war enthusiasts on here, endorse that course of action?

The problem you have is that scenario isn’t one the Israeli’s would endorse, so asking “the war enthusiasts” on here whether it’s a course of action they would endorse is a futile exercise, and I’m surprised anyone would come up with such a scenario in the first place and go on to ask such a question.

So you are unable to answer a simple hypothetical question.

It is easy to say no, if you are a decent person.

Does avoiding saying no tell us what you really think?

You’ve dreamt this straw man of a scenario up and then have run with it for some inexplicable reason.
No one is suggesting (least of all the Israelis as far as I can see, bar the usual nut jobs) a wholesale expulsion of Gaza. Let alone ‘extermination’. The reason no one is biting is because it appears utterly counterintuitive. And yes it would not be a good outcome.

Wibbling on about the fact no one is responding to a bizarre point does not prove that the hypothetical is somehow agreed with from those in this side of the aisle. It’s more of a ‘er…. Don’t know how to respond to batst crazy claims’ awkward silence. Like your mad uncle farting continuously at a family get together: let’s ignore it and hope the bad smell goes away…

I keep asking what 911 wants but he won't say I suspect because he really is just an agitator I doubt he actually has a view.

[Unreal]

911hope said:

Ridgemont said:

You’ve dreamt this straw man of a scenario up and then have run with it for some inexplicable reason.
No one is suggesting (least of all the Israelis as far as I can see, bar the usual nut jobs) a wholesale expulsion of Gaza. Let alone ‘extermination’. The reason no one is biting is because it appears utterly counterintuitive. And yes it would not be a good outcome.

Wibbling on about the fact no one is responding to a bizarre point does not prove that the hypothetical is somehow agreed with from those in this side of the aisle. It’s more of a ‘er…. Don’t know how to respond to batst crazy claims’ awkward silence. Like your mad uncle farting continuously at a family get together: let’s ignore it and hope the bad smell goes away…

That's a lot of words to avoid saying "no, I would disapprove of this terrible scenario"

Remember the question is hypothetical, makes no claims and was posted to find out just how extreme people's views are.

I guess we know now.

Perhaps people are surprised and slightly embarrassed at their own views, which is why they are squirming to avoid answering.

I think you need to appreciate that exchanges on a forum are about as significant as those with one or two random strangers at a bus stop. Once all the emotion starts it's more comparable with one or two drunks or mental health patients. If these things matter to you so much you'd probably be better off spending the time on here on something more productive like charity work or a campaigning group.

[McGee_22]

I've already heard that Hamas are playing silly buggers with this supposed 'deal' in that they have given a list of 150 name of prisoners to Israel and have demanded they all be release in one go immediately but in return they will only release 10 hostages per day and only release thenames of those hostages the night before.

Any bets on how soon rockets are seen over Israel from Gaza or whether Israeli hostages are returned dead or alive???

FWIW I hope the deal works out but with so many slightly different Palestine factions in Gaza and very obviously very poor discipline from actual Hamas fighters/terrorists themselves I fear it won't last long.

[iphonedyou]

911hope said:

Yes worst case..

So would you endorse or condemn such an action?

This feels like an odd exchange, to be honest, but no - I wouldn't endorse your entirely made up scenario.

[Polly Grigora]

iphonedyou said:

911hope said:

Yes worst case..

So would you endorse or condemn such an action?

This feels like an odd exchange, to be honest, but no - I wouldn't endorse your entirely made up scenario.

Is there such a thing?

[Countdown]

iphonedyou said:

911hope said:

Yes worst case..

So would you endorse or condemn such an action?

This feels like an odd exchange, to be honest, but no - I wouldn't endorse your entirely made up scenario.

Expel all Palestinians from Gaza, leaked Israeli report says, in new bid to ethnically cleanse the enclave

Leaked document fuels concern Israel plans to push Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt

[KarlMac]

Countdown said:

iphonedyou said:

911hope said:

Yes worst case..

So would you endorse or condemn such an action?

This feels like an odd exchange, to be honest, but no - I wouldn't endorse your entirely made up scenario.

Expel all Palestinians from Gaza, leaked Israeli report says, in new bid to ethnically cleanse the enclave

Leaked document fuels concern Israel plans to push Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt

And our government is threatening to export people to Rwanda, just because some winging in power said it doesn’t make it any more likely to actually happen. That’s the benefit of living in a democracy.

More and more extreme politicians are being elected into Israel’s government thanks to the actions of Hamas. It’s a doom spiral Hamas has to contribute to breaking.

[Countdown]

KarlMac said:

And our government is threatening to export people to Rwanda, just because some winging in power said it doesn’t make it any more likely to actually happen. That’s the benefit of living in a democracy.

More and more extreme politicians are being elected into Israel’s government thanks to the actions of Hamas. It’s a doom spiral Hamas has to contribute to breaking.

The point was that it "isnt an entirely made up scenario" as some people keep saying.

The extreme politicians have nothing to do with Hamas. They're a reflection of Israeli society.

[swisstoni]

Millions of muslims persecuted, oppressed, liable to be locked up and subjected genocide for many years.

Quite rightly there’s weekly passionate marches in major cities about it and it’s obviously a subject of hot debate on PH.

Oh hang on. My mistake. It’s China doing it so … it’s probably fine.

[Countdown]

swisstoni said:

Millions of muslims persecuted, oppressed, liable to be locked up and subjected genocide for many years.

Quite rightly there’s weekly passionate marches in major cities about it and it’s obviously a subject of hot debate on PH.

Oh hang on. My mistake. It’s China doing it so … it’s probably fine.

As has been said before we don't get lots of PHers defending the Chinese and blaming the muslims, in the same way we don't get many PHers defending the Russians or arguing that they were right to invade Ukraine.

Also neither China nor Russia pretend to be civilised democracies

[andymadmak]

Countdown said:

As has been said before we don't get lots of PHers defending the Chinese and blaming the muslims, in the same way we don't get many PHers defending the Russians or arguing that they were right to invade Ukraine.

Also neither China nor Russia pretend to be civilised democracies

Is there anything that Hamas et al could do that you would criticise unconditionally or not find a way to ultimately blame on Israel? Genuinely curious.

[swisstoni]

andymadmak said:

Countdown said:

As has been said before we don't get lots of PHers defending the Chinese and blaming the muslims, in the same way we don't get many PHers defending the Russians or arguing that they were right to invade Ukraine.

Also neither China nor Russia pretend to be civilised democracies

Is there anything that Hamas et al could do that you would criticise unconditionally or not find a way to ultimately blame on Israel? Genuinely curious.

Does seem to depend on who is seen to be doing tbe oppressing.

[Countdown]

andymadmak said:

Countdown said:

As has been said before we don't get lots of PHers defending the Chinese and blaming the muslims, in the same way we don't get many PHers defending the Russians or arguing that they were right to invade Ukraine.

Also neither China nor Russia pretend to be civilised democracies

Is there anything that Hamas et al could do that you would criticise unconditionally or not find a way to ultimately blame on Israel? Genuinely curious.

I blame both sides equally for the murders that have happened. Unlike some I don't hold make excuses for one side and blame only the other.

[KarlMac]

Countdown said:

I blame both sides equally for the murders that have happened. Unlike some I don't hold make excuses for one side and blame only the other.

That’s just an outright fib. You’ve been fairly consistent blaming one party over the other for this entire thread.

[Countdown]

KarlMac said:

Countdown said:

I blame both sides equally for the murders that have happened. Unlike some I don't hold make excuses for one side and blame only the other.

That’s just an outright fib. You’ve been fairly consistent blaming one party over the other for this entire thread.

It might seem like that because the majority of posts are "justifying" Israel's actions.

I think Hamas killing 1200+ Israelis was abhorrent. I think Israel killing 12,000+ Palestinians is no less abhorrent.

[911hope]

Unreal said:

911hope said:

Ridgemont said:

You’ve dreamt this straw man of a scenario up and then have run with it for some inexplicable reason.
No one is suggesting (least of all the Israelis as far as I can see, bar the usual nut jobs) a wholesale expulsion of Gaza. Let alone ‘extermination’. The reason no one is biting is because it appears utterly counterintuitive. And yes it would not be a good outcome.

Wibbling on about the fact no one is responding to a bizarre point does not prove that the hypothetical is somehow agreed with from those in this side of the aisle. It’s more of a ‘er…. Don’t know how to respond to batst crazy claims’ awkward silence. Like your mad uncle farting continuously at a family get together: let’s ignore it and hope the bad smell goes away…

That's a lot of words to avoid saying "no, I would disapprove of this terrible scenario"

Remember the question is hypothetical, makes no claims and was posted to find out just how extreme people's views are.

I guess we know now.

Perhaps people are surprised and slightly embarrassed at their own views, which is why they are squirming to avoid answering.

I think you need to appreciate that exchanges on a forum are about as significant as those with one or two random strangers at a bus stop. Once all the emotion starts it's more comparable with one or two drunks or mental health patients. If these things matter to you so much you'd probably be better off spending the time on here on something more productive like charity work or a campaigning group.

Obviously the views expressed on here make no difference, except that they are expressed by people who have a vote in a democracy.

Likewise it is implausible that their views will be changed an a discussion.

However I do find it instructive to find out how such people think (or believe ......as thinking may be too optimistic)

I never come across such views in people I know. It is also the case that many feel emboldened by the anonymous nature of the discussion and reading similar views, so expose their real views.

[911hope]

Countdown said:

It might seem like that because the majority of posts are "justifying" Israel's actions.

I think Hamas killing 1200+ Israelis was abhorrent. I think Israel killing 12,000+ Palestinians is no less abhorrent.

You have forgotten starving 2 million people after making them homeless.

[Unreal]

911hope said:

Unreal said:

911hope said:

Ridgemont said:

You’ve dreamt this straw man of a scenario up and then have run with it for some inexplicable reason.
No one is suggesting (least of all the Israelis as far as I can see, bar the usual nut jobs) a wholesale expulsion of Gaza. Let alone ‘extermination’. The reason no one is biting is because it appears utterly counterintuitive. And yes it would not be a good outcome.

Wibbling on about the fact no one is responding to a bizarre point does not prove that the hypothetical is somehow agreed with from those in this side of the aisle. It’s more of a ‘er…. Don’t know how to respond to batst crazy claims’ awkward silence. Like your mad uncle farting continuously at a family get together: let’s ignore it and hope the bad smell goes away…

That's a lot of words to avoid saying "no, I would disapprove of this terrible scenario"

Remember the question is hypothetical, makes no claims and was posted to find out just how extreme people's views are.

I guess we know now.

Perhaps people are surprised and slightly embarrassed at their own views, which is why they are squirming to avoid answering.

I think you need to appreciate that exchanges on a forum are about as significant as those with one or two random strangers at a bus stop. Once all the emotion starts it's more comparable with one or two drunks or mental health patients. If these things matter to you so much you'd probably be better off spending the time on here on something more productive like charity work or a campaigning group.

Obviously the views expressed on here make no difference, except that they are expressed by people who have a vote in a democracy.

Likewise it is implausible that their views will be changed an a discussion.

However I do find it instructive to find out how such people think (or believe ......as thinking may be too optimistic)

I never come across such views in people I know. It is also the case that many feel emboldened by the anonymous nature of the discussion and reading similar views, so expose their real views.

The flip side is that they are just toying with you. Unfortunately you have no way of assessing the motives of anonymous people. Some will be little different to people who bid on high value items on ebay with no intention of buying. Others will be genuine. You find out which in the real world because they show up or they don't. You have absolutely nothing to go on here. Your penultimate sentence may be quite significant. This place is populated by a quite amazing number of military strategists, successful Directors of multi-nationals and geopolitical experts. It really is remarkable how they ever get any real work done.

[andymadmak]

Countdown said:

KarlMac said:

Countdown said:

I blame both sides equally for the murders that have happened. Unlike some I don't hold make excuses for one side and blame only the other.

That’s just an outright fib. You’ve been fairly consistent blaming one party over the other for this entire thread.

It might seem like that because the majority of posts are "justifying" Israel's actions.

So, you come across as supporting Hamas only because most other people are supporting Israel? Bizarre. Perhaps the real reason you come across as supporting Hamas is because the content of your posts do exactly that. EVERYTHING that Hamas has done you have justified 'cos Israel. You prefer the Hamas narrative in every contested situation. You cast shade on everything else. Just look at your approach to the whole hospital bombing question in recent weeks. All the photo evidence points to it not being an airstrike. But you persist with pretending that Israel is responsible. You've accepted the slaughter of the folk on Oct 7th, including the babies, but even here you deny the evidence of the atrocities actually committed. you constantly seek to equate cold blooded murder and rape, often filmed by the perpetrators, with Israeli use of precision munitions on targets such as tunnels that even Hamas say are for military use and from which they ban civilians seeking shelter.

Countdown said:

I think Hamas killing 1200+ Israelis was abhorrent. I think Israel killing 12,000+ Palestinians is no less abhorrent.

QED.

[Gecko1978]

911hope said:

Countdown said:

It might seem like that because the majority of posts are "justifying" Israel's actions.

I think Hamas killing 1200+ Israelis was abhorrent. I think Israel killing 12,000+ Palestinians is no less abhorrent.

You have forgotten starving 2 million people after making them homeless.

Is Gaza not their home?