The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
FiF said:
hidetheelephants said:
Jockman said:
May's position on EU Nationals has been repeatedly explained on here and repeatedly ignored.
Her position is that she has no position, leaving a vacuum into which the remain media are gleefully pouring FUD, scaring any EU migrant they can persuade to submit to a camera or microphone with lurid tales of deportation once brexit arrives. A declaration that any EU migrants resident in the UK before the referendum will have indefinite leave to remain could have headed all that off and made her look slightly less gorgon-like.Anyway, as above it just leaves an opportunity for Remain media to swoop in with more sour bile in the hope of persuading that the result was somehow wrong, and leaves people very unsettled. So they start stirring up unrest amongst each other, with the usual suspects sticking wooden spoons in willy nilly.
Her position is to secure EU National rights once this has been secured for British Nationals. This is a prudent approach and I would hope it gets resolved quickly to allay people's fears.
I agree that the Remain media will exploit this position.
In other EU news it looks like Hungary will be voting in a referendum asking the population their views on the enforced rehoming of Refugees in Hungary to which the Pro Eu President is against( he's looking for a bargaining position against the EU) and Austria will be having another Presidential vote as the original vote, which saw the pro EU Green canditate win by a hairsbreadth, seemed to have been fiddled somewhat.
The Anti EU Nationalist candidate has already said that if he wins, and after Brexit thats a more likely result than previously thought, he will be asking for |referendum on EU membership in Austria.
The cracks are appearing already.
How long before the Dutch also call for their own referendum?
Of course all these people, of these nations are completely misguided and have been lied to by the Boris and Nigel tag team.
Oh, hang on a minute........
Cheers,
Tony
The Anti EU Nationalist candidate has already said that if he wins, and after Brexit thats a more likely result than previously thought, he will be asking for |referendum on EU membership in Austria.
The cracks are appearing already.
How long before the Dutch also call for their own referendum?
Of course all these people, of these nations are completely misguided and have been lied to by the Boris and Nigel tag team.
Oh, hang on a minute........
Cheers,
Tony
el stovey said:
"The job to do" is the fudge that keeps us in the EU perhaps in all but name.
This is what she said about Brexit in full.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/04...
There is no way she is going to lead the UK out of the EU.
That is a well argued speech. It's a shame it didn't have a wider circulation pre-vote. This is what she said about Brexit in full.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/04...
There is no way she is going to lead the UK out of the EU.
Tony427 said:
The Anti EU Nationalist candidate has already said that if he wins, and after Brexit thats a more likely result than previously thought, he will be asking for |referendum on EU membership in Austria.
Or people get scared by the brexit vote.....could go either way Tony.Tony427 said:
How long before the Dutch also call for their own referendum?
IIRC the Netherlands has an election in March?el stovey said:
As it looks like Teresa may is a massive favourite to be the next PM, do people really think Brexit will even happen?
Imagine you become PM and you're firmly against leaving and nobody around you in government wants to leave, people in your most important industries like financial services are against leaving. There is no plan for Brexit whatsoever and its architects have vanished after unexpectedly winning. Are you really going to take the UK out of the EU. Of course you won't, you'll do what you think is best for the country.
On the leave side there is a small majority of the population, some of which just wanted to stick their fingers up at the establishment, some regret their decision, feeling they were lied to.
There is no effective opposition to hold the government accountable (they wanted to remain anyway) and the media aparently also sitting with you in the remain camp. There is no widespread appetite for leaving or optimism towards Brexit whatsoever. I don't think it will happen or what does happen will not resemble what anyone thought Brexit actual meant.
El,Imagine you become PM and you're firmly against leaving and nobody around you in government wants to leave, people in your most important industries like financial services are against leaving. There is no plan for Brexit whatsoever and its architects have vanished after unexpectedly winning. Are you really going to take the UK out of the EU. Of course you won't, you'll do what you think is best for the country.
On the leave side there is a small majority of the population, some of which just wanted to stick their fingers up at the establishment, some regret their decision, feeling they were lied to.
There is no effective opposition to hold the government accountable (they wanted to remain anyway) and the media aparently also sitting with you in the remain camp. There is no widespread appetite for leaving or optimism towards Brexit whatsoever. I don't think it will happen or what does happen will not resemble what anyone thought Brexit actual meant.
I voted remain, but imo, I think you are seeing something that's just not there. T May is not a zealot either way. She's politician. Not invoking a50, after all the promises, will be political suicide, not just for her, but for Tory party as well.
Even if she wanted to do a the biggest U-Turn in recent political history, there is just no appetite on the continent to keep UK in. I hope they are getting negotiating teams ready, and focusing their efforts on pragmatic solutions.
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
marcosgt said:
Numerous EU leaders have suggested leaving will be punitive for the UK...
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Was that 'EU leaders have suggested' in the same way Schauble suggested certain things because Osborne asked him to? M
If Osborne or Cameron put them up to it during Project End Of The Universe, it's complete nonsense. If not then it's EU nonsense, after all what else would they say when there's a queue forming at the door of their blessed but ailing project (Nexit, Denexit, Swexit, Czechout).
It's revealing that no timescale is given nor any detail as to how, it's just armwaving and scaremongering. Short-term there will be some downs but this is for keeps not just for Christmas.
boxxob said:
Greg66 said:
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
ergh..doesn't quite have the same impact.
Greg66 said:
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
Did you just make it up in the hope that nobody actually knows the real figure?
don4l said:
Axionknight said:
don4l said:
Lots of things changed on June 23rd.
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.Weird!
Not that Axionknight said it was more/less important
Edited by turbobloke on Wednesday 6th July 10:34
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
Did you just make it up in the hope that nobody actually knows the real figure?
From March 2016 the FTSE 250 has sat around 17,000, generally +/-200 points or so.
It's now around 15,500.
17,000-15,500 = 1500.
(1500/17000)*100 = 8.8. Rounded to 8.5%
Greg66 said:
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
Did you just make it up in the hope that nobody actually knows the real figure?
From March 2016 the FTSE 250 has sat around 17,000, generally +/-200 points or so.
It's now around 15,500.
17,000-15,500 = 1500.
(1500/17000)*100 = 8.8. Rounded to 8.5%
- level on 23 June: 17333
- level at 10.25am today: 15540
therefore a fall of 10.34%.
Greg66 said:
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
Did you just make it up in the hope that nobody actually knows the real figure?
From March 2016 the FTSE 250 has sat around 17,000, generally +/-200 points or so.
It's now around 15,500.
17,000-15,500 = 1500.
(1500/17000)*100 = 8.8. Rounded to 8.5%
Sam All said:
Greg66 said:
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
Axionknight said:
FTSE250 is still below pre vote levels, I believe.
Only by 8.5% or so. What's that between friends? (Answer: quite a lot. Think Carney used the right expression yesterday: "risks are beginning to crystallise". We are a long way yet from seeing the bumps in the road, let alone getting over them).
Did you just make it up in the hope that nobody actually knows the real figure?
From March 2016 the FTSE 250 has sat around 17,000, generally +/-200 points or so.
It's now around 15,500.
17,000-15,500 = 1500.
(1500/17000)*100 = 8.8. Rounded to 8.5%
The current drop has taken two weeks (with a rally, of sorts), and the point is that the current drop is attributable to a self-inflicted cause.
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