Who will be the new Labour leader?
Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?
Total Members Polled: 378
Discussion
What has surprised me is that amount of air time and column inches the chap is getting.
There is no bad advertising.
I've got a lad in his 20s and he reckons that he's a bit of fresh air after the staid Cameron and Milliband.
He says that many people see no hope of getting a house, they are messed around by landlords, are paying a fortune for rail fares as there's little hope of living near where they work, and all of a sudden there's someone who provides an answer.
All the talk about 'old labour' is a nonsense as people his age have no concept of what the phrase means. They've seen Blair and Cameron.
Farage was popular as he said stuff that was different. The fact that his promises were unsustainable, that he would have bankrupted the country in a fortnight had he really meant what he said, did not stop him getting quite a bit of support. Suddenly we have someone from the left being something of a Farage.
The odd thing is that the right wing media are giving him lots of coverage.
Everyone raising their eyes at the promise of renationalising the railways is rather odd as many conservatives were against its sell off.
We've seen the failure of some privatised industries and many youngsters are concerned about the power of G4. As are some old blokes as well.
The populace will vote for a stable economy, that's the norm in the main. If, as some old blokes fear, the economy is heading for some difficulties in the near future, and if this happens nearer the GE then there might well be problems. Don't forget that the tories are going to go through their own leadership election before the next GE and given their past, this could well be divisive.
What is unsaid is that Corbyn is old. He will no longer be leader in 10 years. His replacement is going to be 'interesting'.
End of labour and such is a trifle premature. It has the infrastructure.
There is no bad advertising.
I've got a lad in his 20s and he reckons that he's a bit of fresh air after the staid Cameron and Milliband.
He says that many people see no hope of getting a house, they are messed around by landlords, are paying a fortune for rail fares as there's little hope of living near where they work, and all of a sudden there's someone who provides an answer.
All the talk about 'old labour' is a nonsense as people his age have no concept of what the phrase means. They've seen Blair and Cameron.
Farage was popular as he said stuff that was different. The fact that his promises were unsustainable, that he would have bankrupted the country in a fortnight had he really meant what he said, did not stop him getting quite a bit of support. Suddenly we have someone from the left being something of a Farage.
The odd thing is that the right wing media are giving him lots of coverage.
Everyone raising their eyes at the promise of renationalising the railways is rather odd as many conservatives were against its sell off.
We've seen the failure of some privatised industries and many youngsters are concerned about the power of G4. As are some old blokes as well.
The populace will vote for a stable economy, that's the norm in the main. If, as some old blokes fear, the economy is heading for some difficulties in the near future, and if this happens nearer the GE then there might well be problems. Don't forget that the tories are going to go through their own leadership election before the next GE and given their past, this could well be divisive.
What is unsaid is that Corbyn is old. He will no longer be leader in 10 years. His replacement is going to be 'interesting'.
End of labour and such is a trifle premature. It has the infrastructure.
Derek Smith said:
He says that many people see no hope of getting a house, they are messed around by landlords, are paying a fortune for rail fares as there's little hope of living near where they work, and all of a sudden there's someone who provides an answer.
What's the answer he's given?Dave_lotus said:
Einion Yrth said:
turbobloke said:
With luck, CMD's lot will evolve into a Conservative Party.
I'll not be holding my breath in anticipation.A one-nation Conservative government wouldn't be willing to continue enriching wealthy landowners by killing pensioners and forcing households into choices between heating and eating in the most ridiculous and competely baseless distortion of the energy market in living memory and possibly beyond.
Some taxes are falling, slowly, and that's fine but non-Conservative interference is about to raise £100m for shopkeepers (£20m in VAT for the government) as Nanny Conservative State tells us what we can and cannot carry our shopping in or line our kitchen bins with, in a pointless act of tokenism which is not so much about the sums of money involved but the principle. Placating the hysterically uninformed isn't Conservatism, traditionally it's the job of hysterically uninformed Labour maladministrations.
Then there's "we have a plan for every stage of your life" which isn't vintage Neil Kinnock but CMD in the 2015 manifesto, what happened to small government and a hands-off lack of lifestyle micromanagement typical of Conservatism? It's been Labour's costly cruel and unkind habit to superglue as many people as possible to Nanny State's nipples. Fewer MPs eventually but however many bigger state initiatives we'll end up with it's more than I'd like
Dave_lotus said:
They shouldn't adapt other polices to meet a changing world, they should stick to the exact policies of all past Tories...
By no means. Those are your words.I voted Conservative in May but not because CMD is a Conservative in anything but name. They're the best of a bad lot mainly because of greater competence in managing the economy, which is undisputed and a key issue.
hornetrider said:
Derek Smith said:
He says that many people see no hope of getting a house, they are messed around by landlords, are paying a fortune for rail fares as there's little hope of living near where they work, and all of a sudden there's someone who provides an answer.
What's the answer he's given?And free turnips.
Vaud said:
Derek Smith said:
What is unsaid is that Corbyn is old. He will no longer be leader in 10 years. His replacement is going to be 'interesting'.
End of labour and such is a trifle premature. It has the infrastructure.
Or will core Blairites split and do an SDP with the Lib Dems?End of labour and such is a trifle premature. It has the infrastructure.
Whilst much is similar to those times with a resurgent left, much is different. The LibDems failed spectacularly, but have done so many times int he past.
The rise of the UKIP was quite remarkable. The party promised much, again promising a money tree to fund more soldiers, more police, more prisons, more this, that and the other. I doubt if anyone believed them - hope not - but there was still a substantial vote for him.
If labour fall from grace then there will be a gap in the market. In that case, the question is what will replace it.
The ukip is an example of what can happen if the populace feel a need.
motco said:
Derek Smith said:
The ukip is an example of what can happen if the populace feel a need.
...and quite a lot of said populace are convinced by J Corbyn Esq. that there is a need for his form of messianic evangelism. I am steadily getting a bad feeling about this.motco said:
Derek Smith said:
The ukip is an example of what can happen if the populace feel a need.
...and quite a lot of said populace are convinced by J Corbyn Esq. that there is a need for his form of messianic evangelism. I am steadily getting a bad feeling about this.Timmy40 said:
motco said:
Derek Smith said:
The ukip is an example of what can happen if the populace feel a need.
...and quite a lot of said populace are convinced by J Corbyn Esq. that there is a need for his form of messianic evangelism. I am steadily getting a bad feeling about this.el stovey said:
Timmy40 said:
motco said:
Derek Smith said:
The ukip is an example of what can happen if the populace feel a need.
...and quite a lot of said populace are convinced by J Corbyn Esq. that there is a need for his form of messianic evangelism. I am steadily getting a bad feeling about this.hornetrider said:
Derek Smith said:
He says that many people see no hope of getting a house, they are messed around by landlords, are paying a fortune for rail fares as there's little hope of living near where they work, and all of a sudden there's someone who provides an answer.
What's the answer he's given?Timmy40 said:
I suspect a lot of Labour MPs in marginal seats are rather concerned about there career prospects! However I bet Corbyn will go down well in the Peoples Shining Republic of Scotland, so may well be a winner there.
. . . and the rest of the UK. Plenty of people will agree with his anti austerity and nationalisation of services stance, for much the same reasons the SNP has become more popular in Scotland. At the moment the choice for labour is more Identikit career politicians or Corbyn. I think he'll be a lot more popular than people imagine. The other contenders are all the same, utterly dull and entirely lacking in charisma. They're just the tarnished smouldering remains of Ed's disastrous era.
In the end though, I doubt he can really occupy the middle (new labour) ground that kept Tony Blair in Number 10 for so long. Perhaps if labour can get the voting age reduced they'd have a better chance.
Timmy40 said:
I suspect a lot of Labour MPs in marginal seats are rather concerned about there career prospects! However I bet Corbyn will go down well in the Peoples Shining Republic of Scotland, so may well be a winner there.
Comrade, its the moronic English who support Labour. They have no presence in Scotland.el stovey said:
Perhaps if labour can get the voting age reduced they'd have a better chance.
Agreed, the young like the idea of redistribution of wealth and high income taxes because they have little in the way of assets and low incomes, unfortunately for Labour they tend to grow up, buy a house, earn a reasonable wage and all of a sudden decide giving it away isn't such a good idea. That's labours structural problem, they struggle in a population that's demographically mature. Timmy40 said:
Agreed, the young like the idea of redistribution of wealth and high income taxes because they have little in the way of assets and low incomes, unfortunately for Labour they tend to grow up, buy a house, earn a reasonable wage and all of a sudden decide giving it away isn't such a good idea. That's labours structural problem, they struggle in a population that's demographically mature.
And many more old people vote than young people. People with pensions depending on the stock market and homes they want to reduce inheritance tax on and not really wanting change etc etc Timmy40 said:
motco said:
A serious weakness is his quick temper.
Never stopped Gordon Brown though did it. Is there some reason why the media always seem to present a left winger who has a terrible temper as warm and lovely. 
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