Ghislaine Maxwell trial

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BikeBikeBIke

8,355 posts

117 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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JeffreyD said:
How do you know he hasn't already sorted it all out?

It's quite possible they are using PA to generate a lot of noise and they are getting settlements left right and centre.
That is possible, but will still reflect on her credibility. "I've been abused by loads of people but I'm only naming these two because the others all paid me enough" isn't going to help the case against those two or in the media. Also does noise need to be generated? The Maxwell Trial was massive.

However, if she went public with some names over this there is no way a jury would make her return money she's received from elsewhere - she's broken her deal with the Epstein Victims fund and nobody's come knocking. Or I'm sure she could find a way to sneak enough info out to identify them, there aren't *that* many foreign presidents and prime ministers.

Also 20 years on some people she's accusing *must* have died and she can name them with impunity.


Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Wednesday 19th January 13:57

JeffreyD

6,155 posts

42 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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BikeBikeBIke said:
That is possible, but will still reflect on her credibility. "I've been abused by loads of people but I'm only naming these two because the others all paid me enough" isn't going to help the case against those two or in the media. Also does noise need to be generated? The Maxwell Trial was massive.

However, if she went public with some names over this there is no way a jury would make her return money she's received from elsewhere - she's broken her deal with the Epstein Victims fund and nobody's come knocking. Or I'm sure she could find a way to sneak enough info out to identify them, there aren't *that* many foreign presidents and prime ministers.

Also 20 years on some people she's accusing *must* have died and she can name them with impunity.


Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Wednesday 19th January 13:57
Poor old Randy Andy getting caught up in such a tizz.



Panamax

4,206 posts

36 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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BikeBikeBIke said:
JeffreyD said:
It's quite possible they are using PA to generate a lot of noise and they are getting settlements left right and centre.
That is possible, but will still reflect on her credibility.
How can it possibly reflect on her credibility? There's no obligation to spill the beans all at once. She's suing one individual for his alleged actions. What she may have been involved with elsewhere has no relevance.

BikeBikeBIke

8,355 posts

117 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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Panamax said:
How can it possibly reflect on her credibility? There's no obligation to spill the beans all at once. She's suing one individual for his alleged actions. What she may have been involved with elsewhere has no relevance.
It definately reflects on her credibility. A scattergun of totally unsubstantiated accusations is going to look terrible.

If she excuses that with "all the others paid me".... Still not a good look IMHO. And terrible from a compensation POV, essentially she's saying she usually settles out of court but she decided to drag just these two out. Knocks zeros of the payment right there, everyone involved is under an obligation not to needlessly increase costs.

If she excuses it with "I'm chasing these two first and I'll stand up the other claims later". I'm still not thinking it looks good.

Seriously, if I said 100 people punched me including you and sued you alone, you reckon that would be convincing? Especially if the other 99 had lives that were monitored in detail.

JeffreyD

6,155 posts

42 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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BikeBikeBIke said:
It definately reflects on her credibility. A scattergun of totally unsubstantiated accusations is going to look terrible.

If she excuses that with "all the others paid me".... Still not a good look IMHO. And terrible from a compensation POV, essentially she's saying she usually settles out of court but she decided to drag just these two out. Knocks zeros of the payment right there, everyone involved is under an obligation not to needlessly increase costs.

If she excuses it with "I'm chasing these two first and I'll stand up the other claims later". I'm still not thinking it looks good.

Seriously, if I said 100 people punched me including you and sued you alone, you reckon that would be convincing? Especially if the other 99 had lives that were monitored in detail.
Sorry I didn't make my point clear.

In theory she could use PA as the distraction and the warning to others. Create a lot of noise and scare others into settling. This could all be happening right now and I raise it because Welshbeef wants to know why Bill Clinton isn't being sued and I am positing it could be because he's already settled. Or because he never went near her.

BikeBikeBIke

8,355 posts

117 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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JeffreyD said:
Sorry I didn't make my point clear.

In theory she could use PA as the distraction and the warning to others. Create a lot of noise and scare others into settling. This could all be happening right now and I raise it because Welshbeef wants to know why Bill Clinton isn't being sued and I am positing it could be because he's already settled. Or because he never went near her.
It's a clever imaginative theory and I love It. I'm still not remotely convinced. smile

I'm pretty certain Clinton (and Trump) are in the clear here. Sure they've been on the aircraft (Clinton 26 times!) but there's no mention from the girls themselves and VR seems to have made no mention of US Presidents in her list. (I guess that can all change.)

irc

7,524 posts

138 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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BikeBikeBIke said:
If she excuses it with "I'm chasing these two first and I'll stand up the other claims later". I'm still not thinking it looks good.
She can't use that. The reason the case is in New York is because of a law brought in which for a limited time removed the time bar on cild sex abuse cases. Any old claims not started by Aug 2021 are time barred.

https://nyaccidentlawyer.com/what-is-the-new-york-...



IAmTheWalrus

1,049 posts

46 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Byker28i

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61,282 posts

219 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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IAmTheWalrus said:
No surprise there. If we've seen one thing from the 2020 election is that there's a very low threshold for filing suits and putting them before a judge

IAmTheWalrus

1,049 posts

46 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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We should start up a thread on 'whatever happened with the famous person in trial x' to see how their lives unfolded. Could start with Louise Woodward

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Woodward_ca...

Never even heard of this Maxwell character before the trial.

Chimune

3,203 posts

225 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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Woodford was famous before her trial?

Stan the Bat

8,988 posts

214 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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Chimune said:
Woodford was famous before her trial?
Was that why she changed her name ?

Byker28i

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61,282 posts

219 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2022
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Maxwell files for a new trial over weather Juror 50 (named Scotty David) was forthcoming in his juror questionaire about his history of sexual abuse.

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/148869080...

Byker28i

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61,282 posts

219 months

Saturday 2nd April 2022
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Maxwells request for a new trial is denied


Time to start telling all?

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 2nd April 2022
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Well that’s it then. Looks like she’s spending the next 30 years in prison.

a_dreamer

2,031 posts

39 months

Saturday 2nd April 2022
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Lord Marylebone said:
Well that’s it then. Looks like she’s spending the next 30 years in prison.
And depending who you listen to she is now in one of two positions

1) unwilling or unable to do a deal as she either doesn't have the info or is unwilling to throw others under bus

2) left it too late to do any deal, running any credibility etc

I can't see why she'd not snitch on others if she felt she'd have any chance to have a day or of prison before her funeral



IAmTheWalrus

1,049 posts

46 months

Tuesday 12th April 2022
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Did any of you see that documentary program last night about Robert Maxwell? I was surprised to see they were related, I hadn't seen that in the papers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0b64j3y/ho...

deckster

9,630 posts

257 months

Tuesday 12th April 2022
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IAmTheWalrus said:
Did any of you see that documentary program last night about Robert Maxwell? I was surprised to see they were related, I hadn't seen that in the papers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0b64j3y/ho...
That settles it. There is no way you are for real.

BIRMA

3,813 posts

196 months

Tuesday 12th April 2022
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IAmTheWalrus said:
Did any of you see that documentary program last night about Robert Maxwell? I was surprised to see they were related, I hadn't seen that in the papers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0b64j3y/ho...
Good wind up though.

anonymoususer

6,012 posts

50 months

Tuesday 12th April 2022
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Robert Maxwell was a left wing rival to Rupert Murdoch
He was a tough businessman and the mantle was passed to his sons who were very good in their jobs