The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)
Discussion
jsf said:
His posts have already told you that. Why do you do this? You never take in what people tell you and just keeping asking questions already answered. It's bizarre.
Because regulation 2002/95/EU - issued on 27 Jan 2002, did not come into effect until Feb 2003 - well after this product launch and the world cup. So I'm confused.
It is OK to try and seek clarification is it not?
Tuna said:
Jockman said:
Yes, best figures for Manufacturing PMI since August 2013. Admittedly only 10% or so of UK economic output but still a decent stab.
I may be wrong, but isn't the reason it's "only 10%" that financial services have been so successful in generating even more? The absolute value of our manufacturing sector hasn't in itself decreased (though it's become increasingly specialist, high value work rather than low value, low tech manufacture). In other words we don't "manufacture less", we've just built up another sector that's even larger and runs alongside.Successive govts have fought the corner for services. Perhaps not so for manufacturing. I lament the loss of skills we had in the manufacturing arena.
But, hey, we are where we are.
///ajd said:
Because regulation 2002/95/EU - issued on 27 Jan 2002, did not come into effect until Feb 2003 - well after this product launch and the world cup.
So I'm confused.
It is OK to try and seek clarification is it not?
Wasn’t the legislation adopted in 2003 therefore products would need to be compliant for that date.So I'm confused.
It is OK to try and seek clarification is it not?
As such wouldn’t the impact on manufacturers pre date adoption?
don'tbesilly said:
I wouldn't waste your time Fella.
Regardless of the fact you work in the industry and ///ajd is an aerospace engineer,///ajd knows more about your job/industry than you do.
I'm amazed you haven't come to that conclusion yourself yet, ///ajd knew it after your first post on the subject, and called you out on it straightaway.
Idiotic post in keeping with your usual standard. 'Called you out' ... Regardless of the fact you work in the industry and ///ajd is an aerospace engineer,///ajd knows more about your job/industry than you do.
I'm amazed you haven't come to that conclusion yourself yet, ///ajd knew it after your first post on the subject, and called you out on it straightaway.
Then again, it's you, so idiotic posts, like telling people what they were thinking how the vote would go, is something that you do.
It's equally tragic and entertaining how people with very little education like yourself and few others go on about someone else who managed to get an engineering degree.
jjlynn27 said:
Idiotic post in keeping with your usual standard. 'Called you out' ...
Then again, it's you, so idiotic posts, like telling people what they were thinking how the vote would go, is something that you do.
It's equally tragic and entertaining how people with very little education like yourself and few others go on about someone else who managed to get an engineering degree.
You really ought to have a word with yourself.Then again, it's you, so idiotic posts, like telling people what they were thinking how the vote would go, is something that you do.
It's equally tragic and entertaining how people with very little education like yourself and few others go on about someone else who managed to get an engineering degree.
Tuna said:
jjlynn27 said:
Idiotic post in keeping with your usual standard. 'Called you out' ...
Then again, it's you, so idiotic posts, like telling people what they were thinking how the vote would go, is something that you do.
It's equally tragic and entertaining how people with very little education like yourself and few others go on about someone else who managed to get an engineering degree.
You really ought to have a word with yourself.Then again, it's you, so idiotic posts, like telling people what they were thinking how the vote would go, is something that you do.
It's equally tragic and entertaining how people with very little education like yourself and few others go on about someone else who managed to get an engineering degree.
Jockman said:
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Successive govts have fought the corner for services. Perhaps not so for manufacturing. I lament the loss of skills we had in the manufacturing arena. ...
It's a difficult problem.Successive govts have fought the corner for services. Perhaps not so for manufacturing. I lament the loss of skills we had in the manufacturing arena. ...
Anything that involves heavy use of labour will almost certainly be able to be undercut by locations with cheaper labour and so will struggle.
Anything that involves tech etc doesn't employ as many people and is unlikely to get governments excited in quite the same way....as unemployment needs tackling and we have to keep bringing more people in to look after the old fogeys.
That our manufacturing still gives the same/similar levels of income in absolute terms is, to me, positive. I just wonder how long we can keep that up without a radical change to the levers we seem intent on pulling across our economy/society.
What we need to be doing is preparing for when we can't, and educating our progeny towards alternatives. Historically I think we've been good at adapting. That needs to continue in spades.
barryrs said:
///ajd said:
Because regulation 2002/95/EU - issued on 27 Jan 2002, did not come into effect until Feb 2003 - well after this product launch and the world cup.
So I'm confused.
It is OK to try and seek clarification is it not?
Wasn’t the legislation adopted in 2003 therefore products would need to be compliant for that date.So I'm confused.
It is OK to try and seek clarification is it not?
As such wouldn’t the impact on manufacturers pre date adoption?
Still, they typically take >1 year to be enforced from publication, so it is not as though they suddenly came in as a bombshell in the middle of a 17 week project.
If there is more to it - it hasn't been revealed - yet.
jjlynn27 said:
Was that yet another lie?
Maybe you should go back to stalking different threads whining to people how others calling you a liar while b
hing about how you don't have the time to substantiate your claims.
The entertainment value of your posts is quite considerable.
What did he lie about - I presume this was ages ago and I missed it?Maybe you should go back to stalking different threads whining to people how others calling you a liar while b
hing about how you don't have the time to substantiate your claims. The entertainment value of your posts is quite considerable.
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PS Ford scaremongering now:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/no...
///ajd said:
jjlynn27 said:
Was that yet another lie?
Maybe you should go back to stalking different threads whining to people how others calling you a liar while bhing about how you don't have the time to substantiate your claims.
The entertainment value of your posts is quite considerable.
What did he lie about - I presume this was ages ago and I missed it?Maybe you should go back to stalking different threads whining to people how others calling you a liar while b
hing about how you don't have the time to substantiate your claims. The entertainment value of your posts is quite considerable.
What was even more entertaining were petty attempts at trying to portray that liar designation was used to for everyone that I was disagreeing with.
As they say, like a school in July; no class.
jjlynn27 said:
About many things. Few people were commenting on his lies. Very recent stuff.
What was even more entertaining were petty attempts at trying to portray that liar designation was used to for everyone that I was disagreeing with.
As they say, like a school in July; no class.
To be fair I think accusing someone of lying has to be backed up with some evidence - and I've seen nothing specific. What was even more entertaining were petty attempts at trying to portray that liar designation was used to for everyone that I was disagreeing with.
As they say, like a school in July; no class.
Too often on here people call others liars because they disagree with them or an opinion they have expressed or something they have speculated about - which is not really cricket.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 3rd December 00:38
///ajd said:
jjlynn27 said:
About many things. Few people were commenting on his lies. Very recent stuff.
What was even more entertaining were petty attempts at trying to portray that liar designation was used to for everyone that I was disagreeing with.
As they say, like a school in July; no class.
To be fair I think accusing someone of lying has to be backed up with some evidence - and I've seen nothing specific. What was even more entertaining were petty attempts at trying to portray that liar designation was used to for everyone that I was disagreeing with.
As they say, like a school in July; no class.
PurpleMoonlight said:
When you say cancelled, do you mean they were already manufactured and had to be thrown away?
If it was just a cancelled order, why could you not update your product to comply with the EU law and sell them that?
To clarifyIf it was just a cancelled order, why could you not update your product to comply with the EU law and sell them that?
The amp boards had been made in China and flown to Huntington where the assembly was to take place.
Some amp boards had their heat shrink reworked in the UK by staff from the Chinese supplier. Many were scrapped in the UK and many components ( including bespoke transformers were scrapped in China )
///ajd said:
The problem with ford is that they have shut down car and van manufacturing in the UK, I am sure I read that car parts are zero tariff, they will have a problem as the UK is one of its biggest market in Europe, if the EU imposed their normal tariff and we reciprocate it will make them uncompetitive if we have free trade with say Japan and others.///ajd said:
Did the products that did ship & were reviewed have EU compliant heat shrink?
How many were actually scrapped?
This sounds like it was captured in manufacture earlier and the rework led to a 8 day delay - which may have impacted the sales quantities y missing the deadline (or the retailer or Toshiba?).
Not sure where the 30,000 comes in. Did these end up in landfill? Or were they sold - eventually?
Yes all product shipped had compliant heat shrink......every product made had compliant heat shrink. Some of that product had its heat sink reworked. This rework turned out to be unnecessary in the end.How many were actually scrapped?
This sounds like it was captured in manufacture earlier and the rework led to a 8 day delay - which may have impacted the sales quantities y missing the deadline (or the retailer or Toshiba?).
Not sure where the 30,000 comes in. Did these end up in landfill? Or were they sold - eventually?
jjlynn27 said:
From what I'm reading it seems like there was plenty of time to do the testing and ensure compliance.
Sorry jj, the project timeline was incredibly short for a product of that type. It took Dyson 4 years do his new hairdryer. There was not plenty of time, not even close.///ajd said:
It seems this was a product launch linked to (in advance of) the May-June 2002 World Cup. Is that right?
I've been checking that ///ajd, I was wrong, the reviews and press releases for that model are all from 2006 so it was Germany WC, not Japan. Apologies for the mistake. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff