Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Fastdruid said:
Which is what happened last time.
Waste is endemic in the NHS, just throwing more money at it would mean that you're pouring it down the drain for very little return.
That's not of course to say it doesn't need more funding but that funding should be specific rather than just throwing cash their way.
2 Examples amongst many.Waste is endemic in the NHS, just throwing more money at it would mean that you're pouring it down the drain for very little return.
That's not of course to say it doesn't need more funding but that funding should be specific rather than just throwing cash their way.
1. It was decided that the patients would benefit from a outdoor chessboard board. They had a patch of grass suitable, so 64 paving slabs laying in two colours and a set of large plastic chess pieces and maybe a couple of benches for spectators.
Due to their own purchasing governance, this couldn't be tasked to the highly capable onsite handymen/maintenance people, a tender couldn't be pushed out to one of the many local small building or garden paving firms. Instead the contract went to Interserve and cost 48k, the majority of that taken up by "Project mgt and consultancy" fees. A week after the grand opening it access was closed as patients were t
tting each other with chess pieces.2. The admin offices were being refurbed and new desks and chairs were needed, about 500 of each. It was decided that Herman Miller was the only option, at this point most sane people would have seen this as an opportunity to negotiate a better price, not in the NHS, they paid list price for them.
Vandenberg said:
Fastdruid said:
Which is what happened last time.
Waste is endemic in the NHS, just throwing more money at it would mean that you're pouring it down the drain for very little return.
That's not of course to say it doesn't need more funding but that funding should be specific rather than just throwing cash their way.
2 Examples amongst many.Waste is endemic in the NHS, just throwing more money at it would mean that you're pouring it down the drain for very little return.
That's not of course to say it doesn't need more funding but that funding should be specific rather than just throwing cash their way.
1. It was decided that the patients would benefit from a outdoor chessboard board. They had a patch of grass suitable, so 64 paving slabs laying in two colours and a set of large plastic chess pieces and maybe a couple of benches for spectators.
Due to their own purchasing governance, this couldn't be tasked to the highly capable onsite handymen/maintenance people, a tender couldn't be pushed out to one of the many local small building or garden paving firms. Instead the contract went to Interserve and cost 48k, the majority of that taken up by "Project mgt and consultancy" fees. A week after the grand opening it access was closed as patients were t
tting each other with chess pieces.2. The admin offices were being refurbed and new desks and chairs were needed, about 500 of each. It was decided that Herman Miller was the only option, at this point most sane people would have seen this as an opportunity to negotiate a better price, not in the NHS, they paid list price for them.
vaud said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Things like this happen at the end of the budget year and there's a surolus to get rid of
"Use it or lose it"...Better piss the rest of the budget up the wall at the end of the year or we won’t have it again next year to waste. Makes me so angry.
Quite often it’s ego and empire building.
Front bottom said:
Vanden Saab said:
Ha ha The wheels are falling off Labours campaign. This morning it is Jonathan Ashworth on breakfast who when pushed about the four day week has admitted it will not happen for at least 10 years and only after a commission has been set up to look at the issue and not at all in the NHS. There will be a lot of disappointed nurses wondering why they were even thinking of voting Labour... Nice to see the media actually questioning Labour on their plans though something that was sorely lacking in 2017.
If it's going to take them ten years to implement that, how long will it take them to re-nationalise the Railways, utilities and the Post Office?I work on the railway, and I think they're totally deluded on that one (no change there).
ntiz said:
I find this the most horrifying thing about public services.
Better piss the rest of the budget up the wall at the end of the year or we won’t have it again next year to waste. Makes me so angry.
Quite often it’s ego and empire building.
Probably the best thing to come out of the “austerity” years was to stop that Better piss the rest of the budget up the wall at the end of the year or we won’t have it again next year to waste. Makes me so angry.
Quite often it’s ego and empire building.
Where I was working we went from trying to save money for 9 months of the year and blowing it “Vegas style” in the last three months
From 2010 onwards it changed to having to have a genuine reason for buying something and getting a good deal
Which tbf wasn’t a bad thing
Mothersruin said:
gizlaroc said:
If a party said "We are going to get rid of the numerous levels of management, take away the contractors who charge £30 to change a light bulb, and we will save £15b, we will then put in £15b and it that money will be spent on where it is needed most, nurses and doctors." I reckon they would have far more support.
They'd have to prefix that with, 'We're going to war with Unions'.ntiz said:
vaud said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Things like this happen at the end of the budget year and there's a surolus to get rid of
"Use it or lose it"...Better piss the rest of the budget up the wall at the end of the year or we won’t have it again next year to waste. Makes me so angry.
Quite often it’s ego and empire building.
REALIST123 said:
ntiz said:
vaud said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Things like this happen at the end of the budget year and there's a surolus to get rid of
"Use it or lose it"...Better piss the rest of the budget up the wall at the end of the year or we won’t have it again next year to waste. Makes me so angry.
Quite often it’s ego and empire building.
I'm happy to fund the NHS with whatever it needs, I'm not happy with pouring more money into the dumpster fire.
kev1974 said:
Front bottom said:
Vanden Saab said:
Ha ha The wheels are falling off Labours campaign. This morning it is Jonathan Ashworth on breakfast who when pushed about the four day week has admitted it will not happen for at least 10 years and only after a commission has been set up to look at the issue and not at all in the NHS. There will be a lot of disappointed nurses wondering why they were even thinking of voting Labour... Nice to see the media actually questioning Labour on their plans though something that was sorely lacking in 2017.
If it's going to take them ten years to implement that, how long will it take them to re-nationalise the Railways, utilities and the Post Office?I work on the railway, and I think they're totally deluded on that one (no change there).
Sure there are some reliability issues here and there, still some older stock hanging in, and ticketing needs one hell of a shakeup as it has got way too complex with all the different companies.
But I can't think of a time when we've had so many shiny new trains running around the country as now.
I can well remember BR before it was all split up and privatised, it was s
t!I am not anti-nationalisation; some infrastructure/services should not be in third party hands for security reasons, in my opinion.
Hereward said:
kev1974 said:
Front bottom said:
Vanden Saab said:
Ha ha The wheels are falling off Labours campaign. This morning it is Jonathan Ashworth on breakfast who when pushed about the four day week has admitted it will not happen for at least 10 years and only after a commission has been set up to look at the issue and not at all in the NHS. There will be a lot of disappointed nurses wondering why they were even thinking of voting Labour... Nice to see the media actually questioning Labour on their plans though something that was sorely lacking in 2017.
If it's going to take them ten years to implement that, how long will it take them to re-nationalise the Railways, utilities and the Post Office?I work on the railway, and I think they're totally deluded on that one (no change there).
Sure there are some reliability issues here and there, still some older stock hanging in, and ticketing needs one hell of a shakeup as it has got way too complex with all the different companies.
But I can't think of a time when we've had so many shiny new trains running around the country as now.
I can well remember BR before it was all split up and privatised, it was s
t!I am not anti-nationalisation; some infrastructure/services should not be in third party hands for security reasons, in my opinion.
That said with Labour in charge they would probably fold and hence it would just increase costs.
The tax payer already substantially subsidises the cost of fares. Renationalisation would not reduce fares unless you increase that subsidy.
If you had ever stood in the queue for the Red Star parcels service at Euston station in the bad old days of BR, you would know how insolent and ignorant the people behind the counter could be, secure in the knowledge that their jobs were not subject to threat - at the time that is. A study in not having their eye caught by the frustrated customers waiting for service while the staff drank tea and shuffled bits of paper feigning lack of awareness of any customers at all! Only post office counter staff in urban post offices came close.
motco said:
If you had ever stood in the queue for the Red Star parcels service at Euston station in the bad old days of BR, you would know how insolent and ignorant the people behind the counter could be, secure in the knowledge that their jobs were not subject to threat - at the time that is. A study in not having their eye caught by the frustrated customers waiting for service while the staff drank tea and shuffled bits of paper feigning lack of awareness of any customers at all! Only post office counter staff in urban post offices came close.
Slightly O/T, but IIRC, was it not Ronnie Barker who had a running joke about British Rail pork pies?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9PosNktZEU
"Who's going to be the first terrorist invited to the House of Commons, Mr Corbyn?"
https://youtu.be/ULZVksUYYzU
https://youtu.be/ULZVksUYYzU
Hereward said:
Agreed. I have commuted between Surrey and Central London every working day for the last 17 years, well over 7,000 journeys. The service, the rolling stock and the improvements in infrastructure are all massively positive over this period. The only time I had issues was the infernal strikes on Southern due to the role of Guard. I totally fail to see what extra benefit nationalisation would bring to the commuter, unless the tax payer subsidised the cost of fares. It is purely driven by ideology, the money should be spent elsewhere.
I am not anti-nationalisation; some infrastructure/services should not be in third party hands for security reasons, in my opinion.
That's a London-centric view which doesn't reflect the absolute lack of improvements in rail services in the rest of the country.I am not anti-nationalisation; some infrastructure/services should not be in third party hands for security reasons, in my opinion.
And the tax payer already heavily subsidises rail fares, as much as £4Bn.
Evanivitch said:
That's a London-centric view which doesn't reflect the absolute lack of improvements in rail services in the rest of the country.
Nonsense, GWR recently got new trains on their services from Paddington to the West, LNER is busy replacing their trains that head to Scotland, the Caledonian Sleeper into Glasgow and the Highlands is an entirely new fleet this year, and here's Transpennine Express bragging about their new trains and I think it was Greater Northern or whatever they're called introducing new trains around Ely/Peterborough the other week.https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the...
Considerable work has been going on to upgrade the track and electricity supplies for these trains.
And in the last year I've been in Liverpool and Glasgow and seen the massive station improvements going on there (Glasgow I think it was Queen St rather than Central, looked to be being entirely rebuilt?)
Absolute lie to say the improvements are only in London anyway.
kev1974 said:
Evanivitch said:
That's a London-centric view which doesn't reflect the absolute lack of improvements in rail services in the rest of the country.
Nonsense, GWR recently got new trains on their services from Paddington to the West, LNER is busy replacing their trains that head to Scotland, the Caledonian Sleeper into Glasgow and the Highlands is an entirely new fleet this year, and here's Transpennine Express bragging about their new trains and I think it was Greater Northern or whatever they're called introducing new trains around Ely/Peterborough the other week.https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelling-with-us/the...
Considerable work has been going on to upgrade the track and electricity supplies for these trains.
And in the last year I've been in Liverpool and Glasgow and seen the massive station improvements going on there (Glasgow I think it was Queen St rather than Central, looked to be being entirely rebuilt?)
Absolute lie to say the improvements are only in London anyway.
How much of the promised 2010 electrification has been permanently delayed? How many of those delayed lines were direct connections to London?
And yet HS2 and CrossRail plough on despite delays, despite cost escalation, to ensure that London continues to benefit.
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