Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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bigkeeko

1,370 posts

145 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Strocky said:
appear to others viewing the thread
Now that you mention it this tête à tête `appears` a bit juvenile. It`ll hardly convince anyone to rethink their political beliefs.

technodup

7,585 posts

132 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Strocky said:
The four protestors on this occasion aren't SNP members but loons dining out on their 15 mins of fame when one of them hounded Iain Gray @ Glasgow Central

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po...

With all due respect if you're basing your argument on what the Daily Mail and Telegraph spoon feed you
Sean Clerkin is a former SNP candidate. (From the Herald btw).

Plus he's involved with Glasgow's Needy, a pretty suspect 'charity' collecting food for the poor. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ch...


Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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In the news now the Scottish booze min pricing has gone to the high court in EU.

It appears that Ireland Sweden and others could vote down Scotland's booze policy.




Evil Brusells EU.


Thing is I bet they will not win this and have to drop the policy - else you have to have the same policy throughout Europe and clearly £0.50 per unit isn't applicable in all countries - heck when in Bulgaria I was drinking good multiple unit beet in pubs for £0.20-0.30 per half ltr.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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No comment from the Nats --- as expected

finnie

166 posts

188 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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I htink the polls are showing an almighty whitewash for the SNP in scotland. So... if this doesn't happen what will the conspiracy theories be? Rigged votes, spoiled ballots, etc etc. When will they start

a311

5,843 posts

179 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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The Mrs is up north of the border on business so has visited family too. Brother and sister in law are voting SNP apparently. They voted no in the referendum.

I think the SNP are in a blinding position as the way I see it, anything positive they can take credit while all problems can be blamed on Westminster. What annoys me is that no one seems to have called them on the fact the mess they'd be in right now if independence was achieved-I guess the drop in oil price would have seriously dented their Micky Mouse economics.....

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

200 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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a311 said:
The Mrs is up north of the border on business so has visited family too. Brother and sister in law are voting SNP apparently. They voted no in the referendum.

I think the SNP are in a blinding position as the way I see it, anything positive they can take credit while all problems can be blamed on Westminster. What annoys me is that no one seems to have called them on the fact the mess they'd be in right now if independence was achieved-I guess the drop in oil price would have seriously dented their Micky Mouse economics.....
And what about the EU banning the Scottish min booze pricing per unit?

simoid

19,772 posts

160 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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a311 said:
The Mrs is up north of the border on business so has visited family too. Brother and sister in law are voting SNP apparently. They voted no in the referendum.

I think the SNP are in a blinding position as the way I see it, anything positive they can take credit while all problems can be blamed on Westminster. What annoys me is that no one seems to have called them on the fact the mess they'd be in right now if independence was achieved-I guess the drop in oil price would have seriously dented their Micky Mouse economics.....
"Wur eejits, but wur Scottish eejits, so vote for us."

Big Rod

6,211 posts

218 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Did I hear right?

Did I hear Nicola Sturgeon saying something to the effect of, 'We'll destroy Westminster'?

If I did hear that right, how does she expect them to welcome her with open arms?!?!?

If I were a betting man right now I'd be putting my money on a Con/Lab coalition.

The reason? They both hate the SNP more than they hate each other.

I think there could be a much worse cocktail.

simoid

19,772 posts

160 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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What would be the downsides of a Tory/Labour coalition?

Would both parties haemorrhage votes longer term to UKIP/SNP/Greens/LibDems?

scratchchin

Big Rod

6,211 posts

218 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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simoid said:
What would be the downsides of a Tory/Labour coalition?

Would both parties haemorrhage votes longer term to UKIP/SNP/Greens/LibDems?

scratchchin
As long as they keep their core values and fundamentally stay seperate I think it's a winning combination TBH.


Edited by Big Rod on Thursday 7th May 01:20

Strocky

2,663 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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technodup said:
Sean Clerkin is a former SNP candidate. (From the Herald btw).

Plus he's involved with Glasgow's Needy, a pretty suspect 'charity' collecting food for the poor. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ch...
You do know what the word former means?

It's been pretty well highlighted the guys a loon, so not sure why you posted the Foodbank link article that doesn't mention him?

Strocky

2,663 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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finnie said:
I htink the polls are showing an almighty whitewash for the SNP in scotland. So... if this doesn't happen what will the conspiracy theories be? Rigged votes, spoiled ballots, etc etc. When will they start
Nope, SNP supporters will be celebrating a record haul of Westminster Seats whilst Scottish Labour supporters sulk and pet their lips

Strocky

2,663 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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Welshbeef said:
a311 said:
The Mrs is up north of the border on business so has visited family too. Brother and sister in law are voting SNP apparently. They voted no in the referendum.

I think the SNP are in a blinding position as the way I see it, anything positive they can take credit while all problems can be blamed on Westminster. What annoys me is that no one seems to have called them on the fact the mess they'd be in right now if independence was achieved-I guess the drop in oil price would have seriously dented their Micky Mouse economics.....
And what about the EU banning the Scottish min booze pricing per unit?
Has the vote taken place yet?


Strocky

2,663 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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simoid said:
What would be the downsides of a Tory/Labour coalition?

Would both parties haemorrhage votes longer term to UKIP/SNP/Greens/LibDems?

scratchchin
The main downside for you, Scottish Independence

Strocky

2,663 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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Big Rod said:
simoid said:
What would be the downsides of a Tory/Labour coalition?

Would both parties haemorrhage votes longer term to UKIP/SNP/Greens/LibDems?

scratchchin
As long as they keep their core values and fundamentally stay seperate I think it's a winning combination TBH.


Edited by Big Rod on Thursday 7th May 01:20
How can a grand coalition have separate fundamentals? They might pass the same budget but have entirely different plans on which areas to cut / spend

The SNP must have people rattled if their response is to propose a one party state to try and counteract a party that at best can only command less than 10% of the elected officials at Westminster

Edited by Strocky on Thursday 7th May 06:44

finnie

166 posts

188 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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Why would someone vote no for independance and then vote for SNP in the GE.

In the independance vote you could have voted yes in the hope that it would be a scottish labour or conservative led scottish government. i.e. one not led by the SNP.

In the GE you would surely still want to vote for the same scottish labour or conservative party. It is local MPs we are voting for so they are still Scottish. Surely nobody is listening to Nicola and hearing that the only way to get a scot in to westminster is to vote SNP!

NoNeed

15,137 posts

202 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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finnie said:
Why would someone vote no for independance and then vote for SNP in the GE.

In the independance vote you could have voted yes in the hope that it would be a scottish labour or conservative led scottish government. i.e. one not led by the SNP.

In the GE you would surely still want to vote for the same scottish labour or conservative party. It is local MPs we are voting for so they are still Scottish. Surely nobody is listening to Nicola and hearing that the only way to get a scot in to westminster is to vote SNP!
I hate the SNP and the idea of independence but I would probably do the same as they are more likely to get something better for Scotland. These people are free to put lib/lab/con into the Scottish parliament and vote NO in any referendum with sending the SNP to London to get a better budget to waste. Makes sense really.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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finnie said:
Why would someone vote no for independance and then vote for SNP in the GE.

In the independance vote you could have voted yes in the hope that it would be a scottish labour or conservative led scottish government. i.e. one not led by the SNP.

In the GE you would surely still want to vote for the same scottish labour or conservative party. It is local MPs we are voting for so they are still Scottish. Surely nobody is listening to Nicola and hearing that the only way to get a scot in to westminster is to vote SNP!
Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

170 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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Big Rod said:
Did I hear right?

Did I hear Nicola Sturgeon saying something to the effect of, 'We'll destroy Westminster'?

If I did hear that right, how does she expect them to welcome her with open arms?!?!?

If I were a betting man right now I'd be putting my money on a Con/Lab coalition.

The reason? They both hate the SNP more than they hate each other.

I think there could be a much worse cocktail.
Hope not - that sounds like a career-destroying comment.
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