Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Edinburger]

finnie said:

Why would someone vote no for independance and then vote for SNP in the GE.

In the independance vote you could have voted yes in the hope that it would be a scottish labour or conservative led scottish government. i.e. one not led by the SNP.

In the GE you would surely still want to vote for the same scottish labour or conservative party. It is local MPs we are voting for so they are still Scottish. Surely nobody is listening to Nicola and hearing that the only way to get a scot in to westminster is to vote SNP!

I've spoken with a lot of people who voted No in the referendum but are voting for SNP today. I've voted SNP in the past and voted No. I'm not voting for them today but I'll probably vote for them in the next Holyrood elections.

At the end of the day, the SNP are a very credible party who have been very good at Holyrood. Not everyone thinks strategically about different elections.

Anyway, how many people agree with every single pledge by the party they vote for?

[Edinburger]

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

[matchmaker]

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

[Rollin]

http://rt.com/uk/256213-general-election-snp-fix/

"The Scottish National Party (SNP) are “at high risk” of being victimized by an election fix, campaigners say.

The anti-rigging campaign, named Operation Scallop, is using its name as hashtag to teach people on social media how to vote “safely.”

To prevent ballot papers from being tampered with, they have shared an image on Twitter containing a list of instructions for voters to abide by."

[Rollin]

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

[technodup]

Strocky said:

technodup said:

Sean Clerkin is a former SNP candidate. (From the Herald btw).

Plus he's involved with Glasgow's Needy, a pretty suspect 'charity' collecting food for the poor. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ch...

You do know what the word former means?

I do. You were trying to distance these four from the SNP, I was pointing out that whilst maybe not a current member he has been both a member and a candidate, so not quite the lone gunman you were making out.

Strocky said:

not sure why you posted the Foodbank link article that doesn't mention him?

I've seen the nugget in Glasgow protesting some offices with the guys from Glasgow's Needy. He's also featured in some of their ranty videos on Facebook. SNP or not he's right up for independence and he's an obvious wrong'un.

Anyway I'm off to vote Labour to do my bit to fk the SNP.

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

[NoNeed]

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Not completely different, they are both hate filled nationalists that spout lies and bile to please their followers.

[confused_buyer]

Edinburger said:

No. Completely different.

Why? UKIP are only proposing a vote on leaving the EU. It is quite feasible for someone to vote UKIP and then vote to stay in the EU in the referendum just as someone can vote SNP and vote against independence.

[Strocky]

technodup said:

Strocky said:

technodup said:

Sean Clerkin is a former SNP candidate. (From the Herald btw).

Plus he's involved with Glasgow's Needy, a pretty suspect 'charity' collecting food for the poor. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ch...

You do know what the word former means?

I do. You were trying to distance these four from the SNP, I was pointing out that whilst maybe not a current member he has been both a member and a candidate, so not quite the lone gunman you were making out.

Fair do's but at the end of the day the day the whole thing was blown out of all proportion, you would have thought somebody was shot the way the media hyped it up

Strocky said:

not sure why you posted the Foodbank link article that doesn't mention him?

I've seen the nugget in Glasgow protesting some offices with the guys from Glasgow's Needy. He's also featured in some of their ranty videos on Facebook. SNP or not he's right up for independence and he's an obvious wrong'un.

Anyway I'm off to vote Labour to do my bit to fk the SNP.

I'm assuming you're a tactical voter?
Who do you usually vote for if you don't mind me asking?

Only a few marginals that your vote would affect the SNP, main winners of tactical voting against the SNP would be the Lib Dems in Scotland, still won't be enough to stop the SNP returning a record number of MP's to Westminster

[Strocky]

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Not completely different, they are both hate filled nationalists that spout lies and bile to please their followers.

How many UKIP candidates have had to be chucked out of the party for your allegation and how many SNP candidates have been done for the same crime?

If you're going to make absolute assertions, please show your workings with at least more than one link from the Dail Moseley or the Torygraph

[Rollin]

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Voting for a party whose reason for existence and number one political aim is Scottish independence, whilst not wanting independence seems sensible does it?

[NoNeed]

Strocky said:

How many UKIP candidates have had to be chucked out of the party for your allegation and how many SNP candidates have been done for the same crime?

If you're going to make absolute assertions, please show your workings with at least more than one link from the Dail Moseley or the Torygraph

I have NoNeed to as I am sure you are well aware of who has been removed and who hasn't within the SNP, you will also know who got away with what.There is more than enough evidence of hatred and bile being spouted on youtube, go take a look, enough links have been posted here including recently.

But I will end by saying that not getting caught does not mean it didn't happen. The while media machine has been turned against UKIP where as the SNP have had a free ride.



They are both still hate filled nationalists that spout hatred and bile.

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 7th May 09:11

[Rollin]

Strocky said:

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Not completely different, they are both hate filled nationalists that spout lies and bile to please their followers.

How many UKIP candidates have had to be chucked out of the party for your allegation and how many SNP candidates have been done for the same crime?

If you're going to make absolute assertions, please show your workings with at least more than one link from the Dail Moseley or the Torygraph

Why would you get chucked out of the SNP for being a hate filled nationalist?

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Not completely different, they are both hate filled nationalists that spout lies and bile to please their followers.

Wrong. On all points.

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Voting for a party whose reason for existence and number one political aim is Scottish independence, whilst not wanting independence seems sensible does it?

Millions do it! Read their manifesto and look past independence. You might be pleasantly surprised.

[Edinburger]

Rollin said:

Strocky said:

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Not completely different, they are both hate filled nationalists that spout lies and bile to please their followers.

How many UKIP candidates have had to be chucked out of the party for your allegation and how many SNP candidates have been done for the same crime?

If you're going to make absolute assertions, please show your workings with at least more than one link from the Dail Moseley or the Torygraph

Why would you get chucked out of the SNP for being a "nationalist?

Two people were yesterday! As posted on this thread. Although perhaps that depends on your interpretation of "hate filled".

[Edinburger]

NoNeed said:

Strocky said:

How many UKIP candidates have had to be chucked out of the party for your allegation and how many SNP candidates have been done for the same crime?

If you're going to make absolute assertions, please show your workings with at least more than one link from the Dail Moseley or the Torygraph

I have NoNeed to as I am sure you are well aware of who has been removed and who hasn't within the SNP, you will also know who got away with what.There is more than enough evidence of hatred and bile being spouted on youtube, go take a look, enough links have been posted here including recently.

But I will end by saying that not getting caught does not mean it didn't happen. The while media machine has been turned against UKIP where as the SNP have had a free ride.



They are both still hate filled nationalists that spout hatred and bile.

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 7th May 09:11

Why are you so against nationalism? What is your interpretation of nationalism?

[Leithen]

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

In that the SNP are equally inept, incompetent and untrustworthy as the others? Cant really argue with that.

[barryrs]

Edinburger said:

Rollin said:

matchmaker said:

Edinburger said:

el stovey said:

Loads of people vote SNP who don't want independence. They think the SNP will represent Scotland better than the other parties but know independence won't actually happen without an unsucessful referendum.

I agree. Bear in mind that the SNP are a credible alternative to Con/Lib/Lab.

Exactly this.

Like voting for UKIP and not wanting to leave the EU?

No. Completely different.

Im struggling with this conclusion.

I assume you think its completely different as you dont think UKIP are credible?

I would agree that UKIP arent a credible party however to suggest that voting for a independence party but not wanting independence is a tad bizarre to my mind.