Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

[turbobloke]

Dr Roy Spencer website is back up

[BliarOut]

One comment and Michael Mann has banned me from his page. Seems I'm not 'on message'...

[The Don of Croy]

LongQ said:

If you are talking about building to existing proven standards that reduce energy consumption than I would have to agree with you if only to avoid people being stitched up into buying property for which the running costs are greatly at the mercy of fickle politicians.

However not all "eco friendly" property estates have been successful. I seem to recall a story from Cambridgeshore a year or so back where the clever eco heating was being ripped out after just a few years and replaced with something that had a better chance of working.

This was on our local news last night, this piece in the local rag explains;

http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Affordable-homes-Hawkh...

- just how many of these exemplary eco-homes are bankrupting the new occupiers? (However there is a strong possibility it is in large part down to the builder/installer breaking the original specification and doing a deal with a favoured - but considerably cheaper - supplier...IMHO, no evidence to back this up yet).

[mybrainhurts]

BliarOut said:

One comment and Michael Mann has banned me from his page. Seems I'm not 'on message'...

Do you get a badge for that...?

[LongQ]

Not the one I was thinking of but here is another report of problematic green savings on new Eco housing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2273321/Ec...

[AnonSpoilsport]

mybrainhurts said:

BliarOut said:

One comment and Michael Mann has banned me from his page. Seems I'm not 'on message'...

Do you get a badge for that...?

I've got in with a question for him - don't know how long it will stay on or how soon it will be before 'I' am banned but still, makes a point, hopefully.

Based on his shoddy in extremis handling of PC/regression analysis - did he just not 'get it' or was he actually aware of how his backfilling etc. would skew the results, i.e. fraudulent?

The comments against some of his blathering and the fawning of his tame sycophants were: "In respect of defending the Hockey Stick, a quick question- how is your study of regression analysis coming along? Have you mastered it yet? If you need a hand or a tutorial I'd be glad to help. Might make the graph and its iterations a bit more justifiable, and believable."

"Was that icon like the false gods that nations have been sacrificed for in the past? Fitting if so."

and

"But what 'science' would he find in that book? Please don't offer him tips on maths!"


UPDATE: well, he's quick! Less than 5 mins and I'm out already. You don't think this practice might make his page a little bit, well, you know, one sided? Michael Mann defender of the truth, fairness and science. Or not.

Edited by AnonSpoilsport on Tuesday 5th March 18:47

[BliarOut]

Be fun to see how many of us he can ban

[AnonSpoilsport]

BliarOut said:

Be fun to see how many of us he can ban

He must have some stooge monitoring the page by the minute, trawling comments for the taint of 'denier'!

[BliarOut]

AnonSpoilsport said:

BliarOut said:

Be fun to see how many of us he can ban

He must have some stooge monitoring the page by the minute, trawling comments for the taint of 'denier'!

The irony is that it's Michael Mann who is actually the denier.

[turbobloke]

According to Dr Natalia Rybczynski, a palaeontologist with the Canadian Museum of Nature, giant camels used to live in the Arctic - although it was over 3 million years ago when it was between 14 to 22 deg C warmer than now, and not a car or power station in sight.

[Happy82]

turbobloke said:

According to Dr Natalia Rybczynski, a palaeontologist with the Canadian Museum of Nature, giant camels used to live in the Arctic - although it was over 3 million years ago when it was between 14 to 22 deg C warmer than now, and not a car or power station in sight.

[ludo]they were on holiday you denier scum[/ludo]

[LongQ]

Well, here's another story about "eco homes" that seem to come with huge energy bills. Nowhere near the others of course ...

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Scandal-Osmaston...

Edited by LongQ on Wednesday 6th March 16:56

[Globs]

BliarOut said:

One comment and Michael Mann has banned me from his page. Seems I'm not 'on message'...

Yes, happend to me too
I asked why it had stopped getting warmer.

A question he is still unable to answer...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/05/has-global-w...

[AnonSpoilsport]

turbobloke said:

According to Dr Natalia Rybczynski, a palaeontologist with the Canadian Museum of Nature, giant camels used to live in the Arctic - although it was over 3 million years ago when it was between 14 to 22 deg C warmer than now, and not a car or power station in sight.

Yes, yes, yes... but have you seen those giant camels fart?

[LongQ]

The ECO homes thing seems to be due to the UK being "so far behind" in understanding the devices and how to install and use them.

So the "housing associations" that have installed them are ripping some out for no good reason?

Hmm. All that expenses when, apparently, just a little education would have worked wonders. Difficult to believe really.

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/eco/associations-di...

[Globs]

Or a link to Henrik Svensmark's Cloud series?

[Otispunkmeyer]

LongQ said:

Well, here's another story about "ecoe homes" that seem to come with huge energy bills. Nowhere near the others of course ...

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Scandal-Osmaston...

Probably not so much a failure of the technology per se.... more its a council house and has been built to less than bottom dollar. We are private buyers of a flat built for a HA. 2 of 3 blocks are council tenants, our block is all private sale. I have to say the quality and workmanship is up there with blue peter or art attack. It is woeful. Thank god it'll only be a starter property for us. Would not like to have to live in one as the best we could ever hope for.

shoddy corner cutting and dirt cheap appliances (well actually they made an effort in the private sale homes... half decent appliances and gas hobs, instead of generic white washing machine, no dishwasher and an electric hob in the scroungers digs)....bet the eco-appliances were bought on the cheap from some fly-by night shyster who sold them stuff that blatantly would never work. That or the council (yet again) didnt bother to ask anyone who might know (thinking they know best, how hard can it be?) how to use such things.

just shows the game is about nothing more than making a fast buck off of anyone involved. Oh and incompetence, lots of incompetence.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Tuesday 5th March 22:40

[BliarOut]

Guam said:

I wonder how long a link to the Hide the decline video would stay up?
Anyone thought of posting it to see?

Go for it. chances are it'll crop up on the news feed before he deletes it

[mybrainhurts]

Imagine a world full of 'Plunkies...

This might make it so...

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/3/5/or...

[Bacardi]

AnonSpoilsport said:

kerplunk said:

Undoubtedly, yes. Everyone needs a hobby - let me know when you're through peering up my ass

The one you sit on or the one that generates your utterances?

Ouch.... but so accurate

mybrainhurts said:

Imagine a world full of 'Plunkies...

This might make it so...

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/3/5/or...

Scary, but not surprising, Goebbels would be so proud.

My question to the likes of the Plunkies in this world is.... why?

Why, after nearly two decades of prophecies which have completely failed, or to be more accurate, have done a reversal of all the predictions, weather or climate. What is in it for you? What's the point in trying to convince us that AGW or CC is real (only in computer models with fudged data) when the observational evidence shows nothing? Is your hobby just to look like a weapons grade tit?

Edited by Bacardi on Wednesday 6th March 01:31