If masks become compulsory in shops.
Poll: If masks become compulsory in shops.
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Discussion
JuanCarlosFandango said:
No. Pointless vaccines to diseases which barely exist are not the answer. There will be another one next year. That's what happens with the common cold.
There are two ways out of this. Either accept constant paranoia, guilt and fear along with nonsensical rules by decree being the norm for the rest of our lives, or reject it and tell them to f off.
There isn't really any inbetween anymore.
Was I talking to you, or the guy who was talking about killing himself because he can’t cope with the current situation? That’s right - not you. Why don’t you tell him that it’s going to be like this forever, there’s no way out, and no light at the end of the tunnel? I’m sure that’ll help.There are two ways out of this. Either accept constant paranoia, guilt and fear along with nonsensical rules by decree being the norm for the rest of our lives, or reject it and tell them to f off.
There isn't really any inbetween anymore.
Also, in my view you’re wrong. Of course this will end, and anyone who believes that this is the first part of a master plan to enslave everyone (deliberate hyperbole on my part, but it’s not much of a stretch) has been reading too many conspiracy web sites.
worsy said:
Everyone reacts to this in a different way, sometimes it is difficult to articulate your feelings in a manner that everyone understands. To you and I, the suggestion that someone looks weak is perhaps unfathomable but all of us react in different ways.
Personally I find masks somewhat amusing (people driving around with them on), strange (walking through the local park with them on) and at times scary (shop full of people). If that doesn't resonate with you then fine,m but it doesn't make it any less real to me.
I was only trying - failed - to lighten the mood. Not write a university thesis.Personally I find masks somewhat amusing (people driving around with them on), strange (walking through the local park with them on) and at times scary (shop full of people). If that doesn't resonate with you then fine,m but it doesn't make it any less real to me.
xjay1337 said:
nonsequitur said:
scottyp123 said:
I don't like to see people wearing masks for one reason and that is because I think it makes them look weak or a bit of a pushover, it might sound insane and I would imagine in 90% of cases its simply not true but it just looks like everyone has meekly accepted their fate without even a raised voice, something like seeing the old news reels of Jews being marched to the death camps for one example.
My personal life experience is I don't like being told what to do and I've worked hard to get myself into a position where no-body can tell me what to do in general day to day life, so I certainly won't be dictated to by any jobsworths. But its despairing seeing not only about 80% of people being told what to do without even a murmur but actually seeming to enjoy being told what to do on a daily basis, its as if its one less thing for them to worry about.
When they got to a pub previously they had to engage their brain and decide what table to sit at or maybe it was better to stand at the bar, now when they go in some jobsworth makes the decision for them and tells them exactly where to sit and they think that's great. Only bad things can come of this.
I never realised that 99% of my local population were weak or a pushover. Oh, and they are meek as well. There is no hope in these parts.My personal life experience is I don't like being told what to do and I've worked hard to get myself into a position where no-body can tell me what to do in general day to day life, so I certainly won't be dictated to by any jobsworths. But its despairing seeing not only about 80% of people being told what to do without even a murmur but actually seeming to enjoy being told what to do on a daily basis, its as if its one less thing for them to worry about.
When they got to a pub previously they had to engage their brain and decide what table to sit at or maybe it was better to stand at the bar, now when they go in some jobsworth makes the decision for them and tells them exactly where to sit and they think that's great. Only bad things can come of this.
Out of say 100 people taken at random
How many of them have done any of the below :
- Personally looked up the correct statistics of deaths and hospitilisations from an official site, such as a Gov.uk or ONS
- Did any personal research into the effectiveness of masks in the "real world"
- Questioned why they are required now when not 3 months ago, the Government was very vocal in not wanting to use masks because there is no evidence to support them (but now this evidence has magically appeared)
- Questioned the general path taken by the UK and other countries in regards to their response to the CV-19 outbreak?
I would say less than 10% of people will have done any one of those things.
I'd say 95 out of those 100 people would literally only get their figures from watching BBC/ITV News , and reading their tabloid papers.
To tell you the true, most people are sheep, in the regard that, they "don't want any conflict" , and think the "government knows best" and just want an easy life so they go along with it without questionining.
You can see this in the more and more agitated responses from some on here. ie people that only respond with insults, try to belittle, or only engage with the conspiracy theory type posters as it fits their bias.
DanL said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
No. Pointless vaccines to diseases which barely exist are not the answer. There will be another one next year. That's what happens with the common cold.
There are two ways out of this. Either accept constant paranoia, guilt and fear along with nonsensical rules by decree being the norm for the rest of our lives, or reject it and tell them to f off.
There isn't really any inbetween anymore.
Was I talking to you, or the guy who was talking about killing himself because he can’t cope with the current situation? That’s right - not you. Why don’t you tell him that it’s going to be like this forever, there’s no way out, and no light at the end of the tunnel? I’m sure that’ll help.There are two ways out of this. Either accept constant paranoia, guilt and fear along with nonsensical rules by decree being the norm for the rest of our lives, or reject it and tell them to f off.
There isn't really any inbetween anymore.
Also, in my view you’re wrong. Of course this will end, and anyone who believes that this is the first part of a master plan to enslave everyone (deliberate hyperbole on my part, but it’s not much of a stretch) has been reading too many conspiracy web sites.
kayc said:
So if its not an agenda to gain control by a certain sector of people maybe you could explain ..lockdown to save the NHS for 3 weeks,that morphed into deaths that werent happening anymore,to cases as they test more people(with inconclusive tests),to a second wave(so what if deaths dont increase),to no masks to must have masks...just a coincidence in your opinion..and the go to expert Mr Gates(with zero medical background)says we have no choice to not accept a vaccine!!..that funnily enough hes working on whilst pumping millions in to the WHO to distribute duff information..im shocked people still believe there is no plan to this apparent chaos.
No, I don’t think I’m going to spend time explaining this - it’s not my job to correct your paranoia. Perhaps you could consider therapy? 
Any attempt on my part will end up playing whack-a-mole with whichever websites you link to, of which there are an unending supply.DanL said:
o, I don’t think I’m going to spend time explaining this - it’s not my job to correct your paranoia. Perhaps you could consider therapy? Any attempt on my part will end up playing whack-a-mole with whichever websites you link to, of which there are an unending supply.
It’s not your job to correct his paranoia so you won’t bother trying but instead revert to ad hominem insults like the rest of your clique. Any attempt on my part will end up playing whack-a-mole with whichever websites you link to, of which there are an unending supply.Even when all the ‘conspiracy theories’ come to pass, you and your ilk will just say, ‘So what it’s not so bad, what’s your Problem’?
kayc said:
...just a coincidence in your opinion..and the go to expert Mr Gates(with zero medical background)says we have no choice to not accept a vaccine!!..that funnily enough hes working on whilst pumping millions in to the WHO to distribute duff information
You mean Bill Gates of the Gates foundation that has funded the eradication of wild polio in Africa and India. Yep, he doesn't know nothing!RSTurboPaul said:
Helvetica42 said:
It's all one of those weird irrational head things... simply going out without a mask "shouldn't" bother me but it does; I feel guilty in a way, my weird and irrational head won't let me break the rules. I'll essentially punish myself by locking myself indoors for the sake of the greater good or some nonsense. I ended up not having lunch today because I'd run out of butter and ham, but I couldn't just nip to the shops to get more. Jesus that sounds so pathetic just reading that back!!
You will have seen the previous links to the SPI-B group under SAGE, which have advocated social guilt-tripping to increase and ensure compliance with 'the rules'?They don't seem to consider the impacts on people who do not deal well with social situations generally.
You, and the other 'anti-maskers' are making things worse for people like Helvetica.
If everyone who was able to wear a face covering did so then the only people not wearing them would be genuine and so there'd be no reason for people who can't wear one to worried that they might be challenged.
PorkInsider said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Helvetica42 said:
It's all one of those weird irrational head things... simply going out without a mask "shouldn't" bother me but it does; I feel guilty in a way, my weird and irrational head won't let me break the rules. I'll essentially punish myself by locking myself indoors for the sake of the greater good or some nonsense. I ended up not having lunch today because I'd run out of butter and ham, but I couldn't just nip to the shops to get more. Jesus that sounds so pathetic just reading that back!!
You will have seen the previous links to the SPI-B group under SAGE, which have advocated social guilt-tripping to increase and ensure compliance with 'the rules'?They don't seem to consider the impacts on people who do not deal well with social situations generally.
You, and the other 'anti-maskers' are making things worse for people like Helvetica.
If everyone who was able to wear a face covering did so then the only people not wearing them would be genuine and so there'd be no reason for people who can't wear one to worried that they might be challenged.
His personal health problems are not my concern, to be frank. Nor is his safety. I'm not going to purposefully run him over, of course. At the same time I would not expect someone else to wear a mask to protect me ........ I take my own personal challenges as my own and don't expect other people to cater around me!
If he is of such ill health (very unfortunate) where we is at high risk of CV19 then me wearing or not wearing a mask is not going to help and he should NOT be going out, if he is scared (understandable given the amount of crap from Governments/WHO/media).
"Normally" breathing - you are not some sort of H-bomb of Coronavirus that the media likes to make it out. Short of repeatedly coughing IN HIS OPEN MOUTH (nice image
) he is not at any higher risk of catching CV-19 when we walk past each other in a shop whether I have a mask on or not.Besides, wearing a mask, since apparently CV-19 can't go through the mask, means that it can't go into one either (that's reasonable logic, is it not?)
"you wear one to protect me, i wear one to protect you" - is yet more classic Government bull s
t putting the "responsibility" for peoples health into other peoples hands - you wouldn't want to feel guilty by not protecting someone, would you? 
Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 1st September 11:22
PorkInsider said:
Do you not see the irony here?
You, and the other 'anti-maskers' are making things worse for people like Helvetica.
If everyone who was able to wear a face covering did so then the only people not wearing them would be genuine and so there'd be no reason for people who can't wear one to worried that they might be challenged.
The stupid thing is I honestly don't believe my reason is genuine enough, which is why I don't risk trying to go out. I have no "physical" restriction which would stop me wearing one; I can probably breathe perfectly freely and have no major sensory issues. Its all psychosomatic; that little irrational phobia in my brain (the same one that tells me spiders are scary) stops me from just putting a mask on and getting on with it. You, and the other 'anti-maskers' are making things worse for people like Helvetica.
If everyone who was able to wear a face covering did so then the only people not wearing them would be genuine and so there'd be no reason for people who can't wear one to worried that they might be challenged.
I'm trapped between a rock and a hard place... my phobia stops me from wearing one, but at the same time I don't believe that's a justifiable enough reason to go out without one. Basically I'm doomed; I hate my brain sometimes.
xjay1337 said:
How are WE making it worse for Helvectica?
His personal health problems are not my concern, to be frank. Nor is his safety. I'm not going to purposefully run him over, of course. At the same time I would not expect someone else to wear a mask to protect me ........ I take my own personal challenges as my own and don't expect other people to cater around me!
Absolutely agree with everything you said! (apologies I've snipped the quote down a bit to save space)His personal health problems are not my concern, to be frank. Nor is his safety. I'm not going to purposefully run him over, of course. At the same time I would not expect someone else to wear a mask to protect me ........ I take my own personal challenges as my own and don't expect other people to cater around me!
Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 1st September 11:22
Edited by Helvetica42 on Tuesday 1st September 11:43
1974nc said:
It’s not your job to correct his paranoia so you won’t bother trying but instead revert to ad hominem insults like the rest of your clique.
Even when all the ‘conspiracy theories’ come to pass, you and your ilk will just say, ‘So what it’s not so bad, what’s your Problem’?
It must be awful to be cursed, like Cassandra, to see the truth and not be believed.Even when all the ‘conspiracy theories’ come to pass, you and your ilk will just say, ‘So what it’s not so bad, what’s your Problem’?
Tell you what, should all the conspiracy theories be true and I end up being microchipped or whatever, I’ll come back in here and apologise.
Evanivitch said:
kayc said:
...just a coincidence in your opinion..and the go to expert Mr Gates(with zero medical background)says we have no choice to not accept a vaccine!!..that funnily enough hes working on whilst pumping millions in to the WHO to distribute duff information
You mean Bill Gates of the Gates foundation that has funded the eradication of wild polio in Africa and India. Yep, he doesn't know nothing!Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 11:48
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 11:51
kayc said:
Evanivitch said:
kayc said:
...just a coincidence in your opinion..and the go to expert Mr Gates(with zero medical background)says we have no choice to not accept a vaccine!!..that funnily enough hes working on whilst pumping millions in to the WHO to distribute duff information
You mean Bill Gates of the Gates foundation that has funded the eradication of wild polio in Africa and India. Yep, he doesn't know nothing!Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 11:48
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 11:51
The fact you have no clue about the supposed paralysis numbers that you throw out there, and the fact they've been subsequently disproven as data reporting issues, just shows your ignorance.
We used the same oral, single administration vaccine until 2004. Unfortunately the use of the modern vaccine in many areas is impractical due to multiple visits required.
https://fullfact.org/online/gates-polio-vaccine/
DanL said:
Was I talking to you, or the guy who was talking about killing himself because he can’t cope with the current situation? That’s right - not you. Why don’t you tell him that it’s going to be like this forever, there’s no way out, and no light at the end of the tunnel? I’m sure that’ll help.
Also, in my view you’re wrong. Of course this will end, and anyone who believes that this is the first part of a master plan to enslave everyone (deliberate hyperbole on my part, but it’s not much of a stretch) has been reading too many conspiracy web sites.
You're posting on a public forum. People are allowed to reply. Also, in my view you’re wrong. Of course this will end, and anyone who believes that this is the first part of a master plan to enslave everyone (deliberate hyperbole on my part, but it’s not much of a stretch) has been reading too many conspiracy web sites.
If you think mass administering of a hastily concocted vaccine is the cure to a virus most people won't even know they had then the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
I think the idea that you can do something about it yourself, today is must more hopeful and empowering.
Yes it will end, but as I said in one of two ways. A world that is more fearful, controlled and restricted or one that is more free and assertive. We will not go back to 2019.
Apparently Scottish pupils at this school are "glad face masks are making them safer."
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scottish-pu...
They've also been told that "compulsory face coverings are here to stay." What does that mean? How long is "here to stay?"
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scottish-pu...
They've also been told that "compulsory face coverings are here to stay." What does that mean? How long is "here to stay?"
Helvetica42 said:
The stupid thing is I honestly don't believe my reason is genuine enough, which is why I don't risk trying to go out. I have no "physical" restriction which would stop me wearing one; I can probably breathe perfectly freely and have no major sensory issues. Its all psychosomatic; that little irrational phobia in my brain (the same one that tells me spiders are scary) stops me from just putting a mask on and getting on with it.
I'm trapped between a rock and a hard place... my phobia stops me from wearing one, but at the same time I don't believe that's a justifiable enough reason to go out without one. Basically I'm doomed; I hate my brain sometimes.
You are not trapped. You are perfectly within your rights legally and morally (in the opinion of any sane human being) to go to the shops unmasked. Yes it will be awkward and uncomfortable, especially at first. But that passes. Is there anyone you know who you could ask to go with you? I'm trapped between a rock and a hard place... my phobia stops me from wearing one, but at the same time I don't believe that's a justifiable enough reason to go out without one. Basically I'm doomed; I hate my brain sometimes.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Helvetica42 said:
The stupid thing is I honestly don't believe my reason is genuine enough, which is why I don't risk trying to go out. I have no "physical" restriction which would stop me wearing one; I can probably breathe perfectly freely and have no major sensory issues. Its all psychosomatic; that little irrational phobia in my brain (the same one that tells me spiders are scary) stops me from just putting a mask on and getting on with it.
I'm trapped between a rock and a hard place... my phobia stops me from wearing one, but at the same time I don't believe that's a justifiable enough reason to go out without one. Basically I'm doomed; I hate my brain sometimes.
You are not trapped. You are perfectly within your rights legally and morally (in the opinion of any sane human being) to go to the shops unmasked. Yes it will be awkward and uncomfortable, especially at first. But that passes. Is there anyone you know who you could ask to go with you? I'm trapped between a rock and a hard place... my phobia stops me from wearing one, but at the same time I don't believe that's a justifiable enough reason to go out without one. Basically I'm doomed; I hate my brain sometimes.
But one thing I don't care is what people think - I go into shops without a mask and I don't care if I'm the only person in the shop not wearing one. If anyone was to say anything I would just say that I'm exempt and if they say anything further I will ask what their medical and legal qualifications are that gives them the right to interrogate me.
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