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psi310398 said:
AIUI, under public international law, you can't just withdraw from a treaty, you have to use the mechanism in the treaty. The mechanism foreseen here is to withdraw with the permission of the other side.
I think it is the biggest weakness in the draft agreement as I think it might be ruled unconstitutional by the Parliamentary authorities or by the Supreme Court, as binding future parliaments. As currently drafted, no future parliament can simply give notice to its counter-party to leave, which is the usual feature of such treaties.
As I've mentioned before only instruments of unconditional surrender don't include such a clause.
You would expect all MP's and senior civil servants to know that. Hasn't May supposedly sought legal advice on the deal?I think it is the biggest weakness in the draft agreement as I think it might be ruled unconstitutional by the Parliamentary authorities or by the Supreme Court, as binding future parliaments. As currently drafted, no future parliament can simply give notice to its counter-party to leave, which is the usual feature of such treaties.
As I've mentioned before only instruments of unconditional surrender don't include such a clause.
Maybe the ability to try to withdraw is sufficient.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46241693
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46241693
beeb said:
404. Posted by OJNutt on Just now
I'm on my way down to London now and when I get there I'm going to find the remainiac idiot who keeps popping up on all the news links and shove his placards straight up his backside.
I'm on my way down to London now and when I get there I'm going to find the remainiac idiot who keeps popping up on all the news links and shove his placards straight up his backside.
Perhaps some haven't got "ranty" yet as they don't understand what has been agreed too 
Guardian said:
Theresa May has admitted she “shares concerns” that the UK could be locked into the backstop arrangement
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/15/bespoke-brexit-deal-better-than-any-other-option-may-tells-mps
psi310398 said:
For the UK:EU customs union to work, it needs to be indistinguishable from the EU customs union. So that's pure jesuitry.
You also gloss over which Parliament, but probably one in which my yet-to-be-born great grandson will be an MP.
The way it is going he will be a Regional Delegate from the Northern Eu Territories.You also gloss over which Parliament, but probably one in which my yet-to-be-born great grandson will be an MP.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Friday 16th November 18:45
psi310398 said:
YouGov - not looking good for her at all, assuming that MPs are hearing broadly the same on the doorstep in their constituencies:
Trouble is, they're split on the 'what to do next' part. The issue is (and has been for some time) that not one of the current crop of incompetents can lead by evangelizing a way forward that everyone can get behind.
The fact that Tony Blair is the face of the People's Vote says it all. I'd rather gnaw my own fingers off than put a tick on a ballot paper near his name. The irony of people claiming that Brexiteers are big business cronies when he's floating in the wings is off the scale.
And talking of ironic, it beggars belief that having done most of the groundwork on a moderate Canada++ option, the various Brexiteer factions cannot find a single person to put it forward as a 'least worse compromise'.
psi310398 said:
YouGov - not looking good for her at all, assuming that MPs are hearing broadly the same on the doorstep in their constituencies:
Surely the second one is a poll on how the deal is being portrayed in the media?It's interesting that its leavers that dont like it, yet the deal is to leave.
I don't like May. I don't trust her. She's as bad as Mogg, Johnson et al with regards aiming only to further their own beliefs and ideas without reference to anyone who is of no advatage to her.
However, I was wrong in one way in my estimation of her. She's stuck to her guns and faced off the mob. I expected her to throw in the towel a long time ago.
Mind you, she won't see out this parliament as PM.
Thankfully.
However, I was wrong in one way in my estimation of her. She's stuck to her guns and faced off the mob. I expected her to throw in the towel a long time ago.
Mind you, she won't see out this parliament as PM.
Thankfully.
Interesting parallel between 'any deal but this' and 'any PM but this'. I am about as far from being a Tory as it's possible to be but when you put all the party political BS aside – as should have happened two years ago – I wonder which one among the backstabbers who are now posturing and manoeuvring for personal power has the magic key that May and the advisors available to her have been unable to find. There's nothing constructive about any of it. I admire her stoicism, which is a useful weapon against the likes of Druncker and his croneys – and I hope she sticks it out and succeeds. I also hope that all those who are undermining not only her but the UK get their just desserts.
It is rather telling that Jackson Rees Mogg's call to arms yesterday has failed to materialise yet? I believe that the ERG has lost and TM has won. Although surely the bickering and sniping from the ERG has damaged the party so much it is now unelectable.
Quite amusing that the ERG has gifted the next election to Jeremy, Diane and John.
Quite amusing that the ERG has gifted the next election to Jeremy, Diane and John.
Piha said:
It is rather telling that Jackson Rees Mogg's call to arms yesterday has failed to materialise yet? I believe that the ERG has lost and TM has won. Although surely the bickering and sniping from the ERG has damaged the party so much it is now unelectable.
Quite amusing that the ERG has gifted the next election to Jeremy, Diane and John.
I think you'll find TM has done that all by herself. Quite amusing that the ERG has gifted the next election to Jeremy, Diane and John.
She called an unnecessary election and lost her majority.
Since then, even by her unambitious standards, she has been constrained in what she can negotiate by Parliamentary arithmetic given the fact that she now has not quite enough of her MPs who are happy to go along with her ignoring the result of the referendum and the Conservative manifesto.
Piha said:
It is rather telling that Jackson Rees Mogg's call to arms yesterday has failed to materialise yet? I believe that the ERG has lost and TM has won. Although surely the bickering and sniping from the ERG has damaged the party so much it is now unelectable.
Quite amusing that the ERG has gifted the next election to Jeremy, Diane and John.
The ERG are like a toothless clawless tiger. capable of much noise and fury but all they can really do is give you a nasty suck.Quite amusing that the ERG has gifted the next election to Jeremy, Diane and John.
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