If masks become compulsory in shops.
Poll: If masks become compulsory in shops.
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Discussion
DanL said:
1974nc said:
It’s not your job to correct his paranoia so you won’t bother trying but instead revert to ad hominem insults like the rest of your clique.
Even when all the ‘conspiracy theories’ come to pass, you and your ilk will just say, ‘So what it’s not so bad, what’s your Problem’?
It must be awful to be cursed, like Cassandra, to see the truth and not be believed.Even when all the ‘conspiracy theories’ come to pass, you and your ilk will just say, ‘So what it’s not so bad, what’s your Problem’?
Tell you what, should all the conspiracy theories be true and I end up being microchipped or whatever, I’ll come back in here and apologise.
Anyway, pass the foil, eyes down and we're off.
xjay1337 said:
Helvetica if it helps I've suffered anxiety and depression most of my life.
But one thing I don't care is what people think - I go into shops without a mask and I don't care if I'm the only person in the shop not wearing one. If anyone was to say anything I would just say that I'm exempt and if they say anything further I will ask what their medical and legal qualifications are that gives them the right to interrogate me.
It's a weird thing, I generally like to think I'm rock solid and probably have some wrong/outdated ideas about mental health. I have worn face masks for cutting concrete and other similar jobs, so it isn't like I'd start hyperventilating the moment I wore one. But one thing I don't care is what people think - I go into shops without a mask and I don't care if I'm the only person in the shop not wearing one. If anyone was to say anything I would just say that I'm exempt and if they say anything further I will ask what their medical and legal qualifications are that gives them the right to interrogate me.
To wear one in the shops when I know it is a big load of rubbish however is something that I do find severely distressing. I did try it, in the spirit of things, and lasted about 10 steps before I took it off. I felt physically sic, and unreasonably furious.Whether that is anxiety, depression or just me being a t
t who knows.Anyway, I'm over that now and just happily walk around unmasked, and don't even notice other people's reactions..
Helvetica, I don't know where in the country yuo are but if you're reasonably close by I'll happily go to the shops with you, unmasked if that would help.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
You are not trapped. You are perfectly within your rights legally and morally (in the opinion of any sane human being) to go to the shops unmasked. Yes it will be awkward and uncomfortable, especially at first. But that passes. Is there anyone you know who you could ask to go with you?
It's the 'legally' and especially the 'morally' bit I struggle to get my head around to be honest. I see things very black and white, and take things very, very literally; one of my traits that lands me in the most trouble. No matter how much I tell myself it's perfectly fine to do, I can't bring myself to break the rules. The only person I really have around is my mum, and unfortunately she is very much in the same boat as me. She has a lanyard but I don't think she's ever used hers either. I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to trouble any of my friends to help me visit a shop.
Just relying on click&collect and Amazon until all this goes away, if it ever does. If it doesn't I don't know what I'm going to do.
Evanivitch said:
kayc said:
Evanivitch said:
kayc said:
...just a coincidence in your opinion..and the go to expert Mr Gates(with zero medical background)says we have no choice to not accept a vaccine!!..that funnily enough hes working on whilst pumping millions in to the WHO to distribute duff information
You mean Bill Gates of the Gates foundation that has funded the eradication of wild polio in Africa and India. Yep, he doesn't know nothing!Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 11:48
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 11:51
The fact you have no clue about the supposed paralysis numbers that you throw out there, and the fact they've been subsequently disproven as data reporting issues, just shows your ignorance.
We used the same oral, single administration vaccine until 2004. Unfortunately the use of the modern vaccine in many areas is impractical due to multiple visits required.
https://fullfact.org/online/gates-polio-vaccine/
Helvetica42 said:
No matter how much I tell myself it's perfectly fine to do, I can't bring myself to break the rules.
The key bit to get your head around is that you wouldn’t be breaking the rules. The rules have specific exemptions for people such as yourself.It is fairly black and white ... you must wear a face covering by law in the areas mandated *unless* you are exempt. You are exempt, therefore you do not have to wear one and you’re not breaking any rules or laws if you don’t.
DanL said:
t must be awful to be cursed, like Cassandra, to see the truth and not be believed.
Tell you what, should all the conspiracy theories be true and I end up being microchipped or whatever, I’ll come back in here and apologise.
Fair enough, more than most would offer.Tell you what, should all the conspiracy theories be true and I end up being microchipped or whatever, I’ll come back in here and apologise.
If we go back to pre March 2019 normality (without chips/vaccines/covipass solutions to a non existent problem) then I will give up my tinfoil in exchange.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
xjay1337 said:
Helvetica if it helps I've suffered anxiety and depression most of my life.
But one thing I don't care is what people think - I go into shops without a mask and I don't care if I'm the only person in the shop not wearing one. If anyone was to say anything I would just say that I'm exempt and if they say anything further I will ask what their medical and legal qualifications are that gives them the right to interrogate me.
It's a weird thing, I generally like to think I'm rock solid and probably have some wrong/outdated ideas about mental health. I have worn face masks for cutting concrete and other similar jobs, so it isn't like I'd start hyperventilating the moment I wore one. But one thing I don't care is what people think - I go into shops without a mask and I don't care if I'm the only person in the shop not wearing one. If anyone was to say anything I would just say that I'm exempt and if they say anything further I will ask what their medical and legal qualifications are that gives them the right to interrogate me.
To wear one in the shops when I know it is a big load of rubbish however is something that I do find severely distressing. I did try it, in the spirit of things, and lasted about 10 steps before I took it off. I felt physically sic, and unreasonably furious.Whether that is anxiety, depression or just me being a t
t who knows.Anyway, I'm over that now and just happily walk around unmasked, and don't even notice other people's reactions..
Helvetica, I don't know where in the country yuo are but if you're reasonably close by I'll happily go to the shops with you, unmasked if that would help.
Helvetica42 said:
It's the 'legally' and especially the 'morally' bit I struggle to get my head around to be honest. I see things very black and white, and take things very, very literally; one of my traits that lands me in the most trouble. No matter how much I tell myself it's perfectly fine to do, I can't bring myself to break the rules.
The only person I really have around is my mum, and unfortunately she is very much in the same boat as me. She has a lanyard but I don't think she's ever used hers either. I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to trouble any of my friends to help me visit a shop.
Just relying on click&collect and Amazon until all this goes away, if it ever does. If it doesn't I don't know what I'm going to do.
I know what you mean about seeing things in black and white, I have a tendency to do that too. The only person I really have around is my mum, and unfortunately she is very much in the same boat as me. She has a lanyard but I don't think she's ever used hers either. I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to trouble any of my friends to help me visit a shop.
Just relying on click&collect and Amazon until all this goes away, if it ever does. If it doesn't I don't know what I'm going to do.
I am not a lawyer but: As far as I or anyone I know can tell you don't have to wear a mask if doing so would cause you 'servere distress.' There is no obvious definition of what constitutes distress or what makes it severe, but I think if it is severe enough to prevent you going to the shops then it is by definition severe enough for you to not wear it. Secondly, the shops themselves are not taking any steps to enforce this beyond a sign on the door and occasionally someone offering free masks or reminding you as you go in (they seem to haev stopped this recently). When that happens I have simply said I don't wear one, and it has never gone further than this. I have never seen a policeman in a shop checking. Lastly, while I won't make any guarantees, I can't see that any policeman in the land would issue a fine or a summons for someone who complied when pushed, if it turned out that the interpretation of severe distress is not a sufficient reason.
Morally (and with the proviso that I am not a moral philosopher either) I don't see firstly that you are under any obligation to undergo severe stress or make your life more difficult than you have to in order to abide by a law which appears, with the best of intentions, to have a wide open get out specifically for you, secondly that nobody seems very interested in enforcing and thirdly that is a complete nonsense anyway, being a ludicrous over reaction to a virus that has mostly gone anyway and wasn't that dangerous to start with.
I don't expect to get any job offers for my counselling but talking of ending it all or staying inside forever because of this is crazy. Use that binary zeal and autism to good effect and march yourself into a shop without giving a toss what anyone thinks about it. Get your ham and butter and have a nice sandwich.
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.kayc said:
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?
kayc said:
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.I can imagine all sorts. I can imagine pigs flying, but alas, they cannot. At least, I have never actually seen one and there is no evidence for it.
Any evidence that Gates "believes in eugenics"? And when I say evidence, I mean evidence, not circumstance and conjecture.
markyb_lcy said:
kayc said:
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.I can imagine all sorts. I can imagine pigs flying, but alas, they cannot. At least, I have never actually seen one and there is no evidence for it.
Any evidence that Gates "believes in eugenics"? And when I say evidence, I mean evidence, not circumstance and conjecture.
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 14:25
worsy said:
Personally I find masks somewhat amusing (people driving around with them on), strange (walking through the local park with them on) and at times scary (shop full of people). If that doesn't resonate with you then fine,m but it doesn't make it any less real to me.
You’ll be able to have a good laugh if you visit Toulouse then, a relative who lives at Blagnac, near Toulouse’s airport, tells me that masks are now mandatory outside, from 07.00 until 03.00, even along the banks of the Garonne, where it’s customary for Toulousains to gather on summer evenings, to watch the sun go down.kayc said:
think you must have youtube?..i expect you also know his father was a the head of Planned parenthood?Bill has never disguised his belief that the planet was over populated...any of the believers want to explain the Cdc numbers? or does that make perfect sense to you all to make millions unemployed?
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 14:25
JuanCarlosFandango said:
xjay1337 said:
Helvetica, I don't know where in the country you are but if you're reasonably close by I'll happily go to the shops with you, unmasked if that would help.
Yup I would also offer that support if it helps. 
Edited by Helvetica42 on Tuesday 1st September 15:54
kayc said:
markyb_lcy said:
kayc said:
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.I can imagine all sorts. I can imagine pigs flying, but alas, they cannot. At least, I have never actually seen one and there is no evidence for it.
Any evidence that Gates "believes in eugenics"? And when I say evidence, I mean evidence, not circumstance and conjecture.
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 14:25
Yes, I have access to YouTube. It contains millions of videos. Are there any that provide unequivocal evidence Bill Gates "believes in eugenics"? The burden to provide evidence to support your wild claims is on you, not me.
A belief that the planet is overpopulated does not equate with a belief in eugenics or population control.
Regarding Bill's father, that's not relevant at all. They are separate people each with their own free-will. Even if it were relevant (and one could say the actions of a son are dependant on or related to those of a father), being "pro-choice" with regard to abortion does not equate with supporting "eugenics" or "population control".
My grandfather was rumoured to be a burglar. Does that make me any more likely to be a criminal, in your eyes?
As I suspected ... you have no evidence to support your claims and when pressed you draw in completely unrelated and tenuous concepts.
markyb_lcy said:
kayc said:
markyb_lcy said:
kayc said:
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.I can imagine all sorts. I can imagine pigs flying, but alas, they cannot. At least, I have never actually seen one and there is no evidence for it.
Any evidence that Gates "believes in eugenics"? And when I say evidence, I mean evidence, not circumstance and conjecture.
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 14:25
Yes, I have access to YouTube. It contains millions of videos. Are there any that provide unequivocal evidence Bill Gates "believes in eugenics"? The burden to provide evidence to support your wild claims is on you, not me.
A belief that the planet is overpopulated does not equate with a belief in eugenics or population control.
Regarding Bill's father, that's not relevant at all. They are separate people each with their own free-will. Even if it were relevant (and one could say the actions of a son are dependant on or related to those of a father), being "pro-choice" with regard to abortion does not equate with supporting "eugenics" or "population control".
As I suspected ... you have no evidence to support your claims and when pressed you draw in completely unrelated and tenuous concepts.
kayc said:
markyb_lcy said:
kayc said:
markyb_lcy said:
kayc said:
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s you say someone as 'analytical' as Bill the saviour doesnt just throw money at a project that doesnt benefit him..enough said.
Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates foundation in India was inaccurate?king the economy for i'd say..dont worry Gates says we will be ok by DEC 2021 when we get to enjoy his vaccine..Gates /Fauci should be investigated to their involvement in this scam..dont see the CDC numbers anywhere on UK mainstream media..funny that.I can imagine all sorts. I can imagine pigs flying, but alas, they cannot. At least, I have never actually seen one and there is no evidence for it.
Any evidence that Gates "believes in eugenics"? And when I say evidence, I mean evidence, not circumstance and conjecture.
Edited by kayc on Tuesday 1st September 14:25
Yes, I have access to YouTube. It contains millions of videos. Are there any that provide unequivocal evidence Bill Gates "believes in eugenics"? The burden to provide evidence to support your wild claims is on you, not me.
A belief that the planet is overpopulated does not equate with a belief in eugenics or population control.
Regarding Bill's father, that's not relevant at all. They are separate people each with their own free-will. Even if it were relevant (and one could say the actions of a son are dependant on or related to those of a father), being "pro-choice" with regard to abortion does not equate with supporting "eugenics" or "population control".
As I suspected ... you have no evidence to support your claims and when pressed you draw in completely unrelated and tenuous concepts.
If you provide them (and they're actual evidence rather than theory), I will read them and even better, I will tell you what I think.
As it stands, you appear to have flounced as you're unable to backup your claims. I'm happy to leave it here because frankly I don't think that evidence exists but as I say, I am happy to read if you are happy to provide.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 1st September 14:57
1974nc said:
DanL said:
t must be awful to be cursed, like Cassandra, to see the truth and not be believed.
Tell you what, should all the conspiracy theories be true and I end up being microchipped or whatever, I’ll come back in here and apologise.
Fair enough, more than most would offer.Tell you what, should all the conspiracy theories be true and I end up being microchipped or whatever, I’ll come back in here and apologise.
If we go back to pre March 2019 normality (without chips/vaccines/covipass solutions to a non existent problem) then I will give up my tinfoil in exchange.
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