Nasty crash in B’Ham

[Alpinestars]

jonny142 said:

Is this the one featured now on BBC1 'Ambulance' at the moment ?

Think so.

[vindaloo79]

jonny142 said:

Is this the one featured now on BBC1 'Ambulance' at the moment ?

Yep - its quite depressing seeing how many other calls are waiting at the same time and all those resources tied up.

[rscott]

Willhire89 said:

On BBC1 now - the Ambo response

The impact on the young crew was pretty immense. I hope they've had the support they very clearly were going to need over the coming months.

[Warby80]

rscott said:

Willhire89 said:

On BBC1 now - the Ambo response

The impact on the young crew was pretty immense. I hope they've had the support they very clearly were going to need over the coming months.

The impact on all the Emergency Service members was pretty clear to see once the initial adrenaline of the the response and trying to save people wore off, the Police Officer who got in the first Ambulance to leave the scene looked shocked to his core.

Shame the same cant be said for the members of the public:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-44...

[Byker28i]

Quite a powerful piece of filming last night

[rscott]

Byker28i said:

Quite a powerful piece of filming last night

Perhaps should be mandatory viewing for those caught speeding at that location.

It's the impact on others who needed the ambulance too. Having to spend 7 hours lying on the floor with a broken hip

[Sam.]

Watched this last night. I can't even begin to imagine the mental difficulties that the job can cause to emergency services. I just hope that the help and care they need will be given to them.

These programs may just be for TV but it really does show what they do for us.

[Sa Calobra]

rscott said:

Perhaps should be mandatory viewing for those caught speeding at that location.

It's the impact on others who needed the ambulance too. Having to spend 7 hours lying on the floor with a broken hip

The issue is those who speed won't see it as potentially them next.

I went to a lad who was up for a death by dangerous driving charge in a week's time and he was laying there with an open fracture from his latest.

Some just don't care or see it coming.

[Digga]

Sa Calobra said:

rscott said:

Perhaps should be mandatory viewing for those caught speeding at that location.

It's the impact on others who needed the ambulance too. Having to spend 7 hours lying on the floor with a broken hip

The issue is those who speed won't see it as potentially them next.

I went to a lad who was up for a death by dangerous driving charge in a week's time and he was laying there with an open fracture from his latest.

Some just don't care or see it coming.

Too slow and stupid to see the problem. If they ever do, eventually get it, it's always too late.

[The Mad Monk]

rscott said:

Perhaps should be mandatory viewing for those caught speeding at that location.

People were not killed because of speed alone.

There were additional factors IIRC

Alcohol
Drugs
Tiredness.

Simply going in excess of the speed limit didn't kill anyone.

[BRISTOL86]

Didn’t catch the previous 2 series of ambulance but watching this series has me absolutely full of admiration for the ambulance service. I know they only show what they want you to see but full of respect for the job they do.

[WinstonWolf]

The Mad Monk said:

rscott said:

Perhaps should be mandatory viewing for those caught speeding at that location.

People were not killed because of speed alone.

There were additional factors IIRC

Alcohol
Drugs
Tiredness.

Simply going in excess of the speed limit didn't kill anyone.

In that particular incident the speed was the problem, the idiot driving had a huge amount of kinetic energy to dissipate.

[TooMany2cvs]

WinstonWolf said:

In that particular incident the speed was the problem, the idiot driving had a huge amount of kinetic energy to dissipate.

Simple question...

If they'd been stopped before the crash, would "exceeding the speed limit" have been the single most appropriate charge possible?

[Digga]

TooMany2cvs said:

WinstonWolf said:

In that particular incident the speed was the problem, the idiot driving had a huge amount of kinetic energy to dissipate.

Simple question...

If they'd been stopped before the crash, would "exceeding the speed limit" have been the single most appropriate charge possible?

Precisely, it is beyond doubt that driving under the influence impairs judgement and reactions.

[TooMany2cvs]

Digga said:

Precisely, it is beyond doubt that driving under the influence impairs judgement and reactions.

I'm not even sure that's the most appropriate. Seems a slam-dunk for Dangerous Driving, just about the most serious offence you can commit behind the wheel - same min 12mo ban as drink, but with mandatory extended retest, and with a sentencing guide starting point (with the aggravating factors) that includes crown court and prison.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item...

And that's before the "Causing Death by..." kicked in.

[Downward]

Warby80 said:

rscott said:

Willhire89 said:

On BBC1 now - the Ambo response

The impact on the young crew was pretty immense. I hope they've had the support they very clearly were going to need over the coming months.

The impact on all the Emergency Service members was pretty clear to see once the initial adrenaline of the the response and trying to save people wore off, the Police Officer who got in the first Ambulance to leave the scene looked shocked to his core.

Shame the same cant be said for the members of the public:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-44...

They did another check this week, One clocked at 86mph.

[Sa Calobra]

The Mad Monk said:

People were not killed because of speed alone.

There were additional factors IIRC

Alcohol
Drugs
Tiredness.

Simply going in excess of the speed limit didn't kill anyone.

Anyone driving through some traffic in a suburban area albeit dual carriageway down a dip and rise would struggle at the speed reported.

Blue light trained drivers would err on caution.


Speed does kill. If he was doing 40 he wouldn't have crashed.

[Digga]

TooMany2cvs said:

Digga said:

Precisely, it is beyond doubt that driving under the influence impairs judgement and reactions.

I'm not even sure that's the most appropriate. Seems a slam-dunk for Dangerous Driving, just about the most serious offence you can commit behind the wheel - same min 12mo ban as drink, but with mandatory extended retest, and with a sentencing guide starting point (with the aggravating factors) that includes crown court and prison.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item...

And that's before the "Causing Death by..." kicked in.

I was more arguing the fact that, whetever the driver did, speeding, dangerous, reckless etc. it was done from the basis of being intoxicated. We all know that driving under the influence makes us far more prone to mistakes and errors of judgement, even if we might think we're driving gods.

[FiF]

Sam. said:

Watched this last night. I can't even begin to imagine the mental difficulties that the job can cause to emergency services. I just hope that the help and care they need will be given to them.

These programs may just be for TV but it really does show what they do for us.

That was difficult viewing. Things like ages spent working on victims only for life to be extinguished. Then the raw guilt from the controllers who had prioritised Betty the 89 year old as lowest priority, only to learn that when a crew had finally got there after 6.5 hours they took her straight to QE with suspected sepsis.

[heebeegeetee]

rscott said:

Perhaps should be mandatory viewing for those caught speeding at that location.

Hold on a minute, that location has existed for over 40 years, and over 4 decades of speeding has produced nothing like this. To equate this act of drugged, criminal behaviour with 'speeding' and putting all other speeding drivers in the same category is ridiculous.