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psi310398 said:
Actually, all they need to do is gum up all the others and no deal happens.
Given that 25 is more than enough to bring the government down, there’s little May could do.
They don’t then need to vote in favour of a GE and I can’t see the Tory remainders voting to bring about their own demise either. TM will go overboard idc.
Nope. The government in that situation would ask the EU for an extension to the March deadline. Which would only cost us another £10bn.....Given that 25 is more than enough to bring the government down, there’s little May could do.
They don’t then need to vote in favour of a GE and I can’t see the Tory remainders voting to bring about their own demise either. TM will go overboard idc.
And regardless, if the government can't pass its main legislation, it falls. So then we are on the path to another GE and in my opinion a likely 2nd referendum.
Sorry to disappoint, but you aren't going to get a 'no deal' by the back door. You need to come up with something which will get agreement from a majority in Parliament.
Cobnapint said:
Listening to how steadfast she is, how determined she is, how sure she is - I can't help thinking, are we missing something here with regard to this deal.
Yes I was left thinking the same, saying the back stop will most likely not be implemented and negotiations are still ongoing.EddieSteadyGo said:
Nope. The government in that situation would ask the EU for an extension to the March deadline. Which would only cost us another £10bn.....
And regardless, if the government can't pass its main legislation, it falls. So then we are on the path to another GE and in my opinion a likely 2nd referendum.
Sorry to disappoint, but you aren't going to get a 'no deal' by the back door. You need to come up with something which will get agreement from a majority in Parliament.
How can it be by the back door when Parliament has voted to allow it to happen automatically, absent a deal?And regardless, if the government can't pass its main legislation, it falls. So then we are on the path to another GE and in my opinion a likely 2nd referendum.
Sorry to disappoint, but you aren't going to get a 'no deal' by the back door. You need to come up with something which will get agreement from a majority in Parliament.
I have to give her dues; stubborn, focused, manipulative, controlling, lone wolf, belligerent, and listens to no one. Not sure that makes a good PM, let alone a person to trust.
Takes me back to the days of her being Home Secretary, and her demolition of the police force.
Just hope that this draft doesn't get through Parliament but I have little trust / hope in the MPs that decide.
ETA: I actually don't believe the the Brexit Secretary had much say in any of this and were sidelined during the deal. Hence the frustration shown by these guys
Takes me back to the days of her being Home Secretary, and her demolition of the police force.
Just hope that this draft doesn't get through Parliament but I have little trust / hope in the MPs that decide.
ETA: I actually don't believe the the Brexit Secretary had much say in any of this and were sidelined during the deal. Hence the frustration shown by these guys
Edited by carinatauk on Sunday 18th November 10:08
Helicopter123 said:
Cobnapint said:
I don't think so. JRM is more popular than you think.
JRM a darling of the conservative party membership but universally loathed outside of it.In many ways, he is the Tory Jeremy Corbyn.
Cobnapint said:
Listening to how steadfast she is, how determined she is, how sure she is - I can't help thinking, are we missing something here with regard to this deal.
Is it the final deal? Apparently not. Is the WA just a temporary arrangement, as she says, and better things are just around the corner at the end of it?
I dunno. A bit confused.
The only bit we're missing is that, ultimately, this WA will ultimately end up lasting for many years, and/or permanently. There is no free trade deal that will remove the need for border controls. Therefore the EU will never agree to it's removal.Is it the final deal? Apparently not. Is the WA just a temporary arrangement, as she says, and better things are just around the corner at the end of it?
I dunno. A bit confused.
It's worth noting that even though we are in the EU there is meant to be a border control between ROI and NI for things like tobacco. You (supposedly) get stopped at the border if you bring in more than 10 litres of spirits from Spain, even though we're in the EU. We simply choose not to enforce the border in NI for political reasons.
So if we can't get rid of the technical requirement for a border whilst in the EU, how on earth are we going to do it outside? Therefore, IMO, the WA is simply a way to keep us in the EU, essentially forever..
EddieSteadyGo said:
And that, Cobnapint, is evidence of the issue with JRM. He is a highly polarising figure for all the obvious reasons.
Seriously what does he offer other than the comfort of being old school posh?He's fully old England establishment and not even clever with it.
Why are people so keen on his type?
Cobnapint said:
Listening to how steadfast she is, how determined she is, how sure she is - I can't help thinking, are we missing something here with regard to this deal.
Is it the final deal? Apparently not. Is the WA just a temporary arrangement, as she says, and better things are just around the corner at the end of it?
I dunno. A bit confused.
It's the final deal. It's even the future trading arrangement. Is it the final deal? Apparently not. Is the WA just a temporary arrangement, as she says, and better things are just around the corner at the end of it?
I dunno. A bit confused.
I had to read the whole bloody thing for work. The "backstop" arrangement is the customs arrangement that Turkey currently has, in effect - proof of free circulation within in the customs union will even be shown by an A.UK document, where movement between the EU and Turkey is handled by an A.TR document. It will extend to more commodity codes (Turkey's excludes agricultural goods) but other than that it will work in the same way.
That would be absolutely dire, as it would make it very hard for us to agree trade deals with emerging markets - they want to sell us goods and we want to sell them services, but under this deal we'll have no way of making it cheaper for them to sell goods to us.
Cobnapint said:
I don't know how she can say that - she isn't supposed to know either way. She shouldn't be saying that.
Of course she is allowed to say it. She gets notified at the point the threshold is reached. So she knows whether or not she has been notified and therefore she knows if it has been reached or not.Brady's obligation for secrecy is to not disclose how many letters he has received or to disclose who has sent them. So something completely different.
Cobnapint said:
Listening to how steadfast she is, how determined she is, how sure she is - I can't help thinking, are we missing something here with regard to this deal.
It's the best deal 'she' could ever get. So what else is she is going to do?She knows she has a strong hand, as the media is behind her, Brexit backing donors & business figures willing to bankroll here, and her primary opponent Boris, not commanding the popularity he once did.
Get through this, retire shortly after with some kind of legacy and be long gone by the time it all erupts again. Job done.
Cobnapint said:
A joke? In what way?
I'm not saying he 'should' be PM, CoE or anything, but he's one of the most knowledgeable MPs in the Palace of Westminster at the minute.
In every way possible.I'm not saying he 'should' be PM, CoE or anything, but he's one of the most knowledgeable MPs in the Palace of Westminster at the minute.
Never earned anything in his life.
Got his place in a top universitiy because of his connections.
Got a s
tty degree.Got a safe seat because if who he is
The worst type of politician imaginable.
Cobnapint said:
A joke? In what way?
I'm not saying he 'should' be PM, CoE or anything, but he's one of the most knowledgeable MPs in the Palace of Westminster at the minute.
Is he?I'm not saying he 'should' be PM, CoE or anything, but he's one of the most knowledgeable MPs in the Palace of Westminster at the minute.
Or is he simply quite vocal and articulate and manages to get into the media because of his views?
That isn't the same as being knowledgeable.
Once you get outside of the Daily Mail and the strange hero-worship he seems to attract on here, he's either unheard of or likely to be seen as a bit of a joke by the wider electorate.
I wouldn't expect him to poll too highly with the gay or female vote either.
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