Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Burwood said:
biggbn said:
Burwood said:
biggbn said:
So, in conclusion, the sharpest mind the Tories can muster manfully fought to a draw at best over a man most on here regard as inept, uneducated and unsuitable?
And the leader of the opposition, the second coming, fought to a draw, at best, with a man many on here think is a complete clown with zero debating skills.
Oh dear, we are in trouble. May I suggest both sides likely lost, and the biggest loser was Britain?
A man who can Promise the moon and has no governing history as opposed to actually doing a very hard job. Well reasoned argument. And the leader of the opposition, the second coming, fought to a draw, at best, with a man many on here think is a complete clown with zero debating skills.
Oh dear, we are in trouble. May I suggest both sides likely lost, and the biggest loser was Britain?
Edited by biggbn on Tuesday 19th November 22:05
ker that says I diont deserve it k things up...dazwalsh said:
Only just got In from work, take it I shouldn't be that bothered about watching it?
I guessed it would be a lot of "get brexit done" and "selling our NHS to the USA/ austerity"?
Exactly that, plus the audience openly laughing at the prime minister and leader of the opposition.I guessed it would be a lot of "get brexit done" and "selling our NHS to the USA/ austerity"?
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Corbyn is sounding desperate. Bonus points to him mind, with his retort to BJ's 'coalition of chaos' (Lab/SNP) dig. 'we've witnessed 9 years of chaotic coalition already!'
In fairness, it's true.
Everyone knows you under promise and over deliver, they're both doing the opposite tonight. It will come back and bite either of them on the arse down the line.
Well except for the 9 years of chaotic coalition.In fairness, it's true.
Everyone knows you under promise and over deliver, they're both doing the opposite tonight. It will come back and bite either of them on the arse down the line.
A remarkably stable coalition government was in power from 2010-2015 (it defied the pundits). From 2015, it was a Conservative majority government. Its arguable whether 2015-17 it was really all that chaotic. From 2017-19, we have had a Conservative minority government; the DUP is not in coalition with it. This is the period that is described as chaotic. I don't think there has been a minority government in history that wasn't always on the pint of disaster.
Corbyn isn't the sharpest blade, hence his rather feeble academic efforts when a young man. 2 E grades at A-Level are basically awarded for turning up.
swisstoni said:
Everybody involved lost.
Every single one of these freak shows is a waste of everyone's time; with the possible exception of Kennedy-Nixon the entirety of the genre is just circus for idiots. A 45 minute grilling for each of the party leaders by a decent interviewer(Brillo is my chosen executioner, YMMV) is all that is needed.
Dift said:
His view would be to get the best deal for the workforce and country. That should be his view. He then presents 3 options to the public, they choose.
It's an "informed" version of the initial referendum using a deal generated by labour with 3 potential options.
Like I said I'm not a labour voter, but I understand this logic, whether it is right or wrong... or sitting on the fence, and I
Where are you getting 3 options from?It's an "informed" version of the initial referendum using a deal generated by labour with 3 potential options.
Like I said I'm not a labour voter, but I understand this logic, whether it is right or wrong... or sitting on the fence, and I
Thats not Labour policy.
Only 2, remain or the Labour BRINO CU & SM deal.
nailed itThe faithful will always support their man, claim a win and vote for him at the election - it’s what blind faith does to a person . . . . . . removes any semblance of rational thought. It’s the ‘floating voter’ that these debates are aimed at!
JC didn’t really lay a glove on BoJo.
Conversely BoJo skewered JC on two important topics. Brexit and the SNP.
I cannot believe anyone considers JC’s approach of getting a better deal with the EU in 3 months credible in the slightest unless a ‘better’ deal is to capitulate which is eminently possible if not probable. To not disclose what that deal is aimed at or whether it would be supported or not at another referendum is the weakest approach by far of the past years debacles.
JC pretty much admitted that he would do a deal with the SNP and agree a second referendum on Scottish independence just not in the first two years of the new Parliament. That’ll be a Labour/SNP coalition and a referendum in 2022 then. Think floating voters are going to go for that . . . . . . . Blackford as Deputy PM . . . . . . . . seriously?
JC didn’t really lay a glove on BoJo.
Conversely BoJo skewered JC on two important topics. Brexit and the SNP.
I cannot believe anyone considers JC’s approach of getting a better deal with the EU in 3 months credible in the slightest unless a ‘better’ deal is to capitulate which is eminently possible if not probable. To not disclose what that deal is aimed at or whether it would be supported or not at another referendum is the weakest approach by far of the past years debacles.
JC pretty much admitted that he would do a deal with the SNP and agree a second referendum on Scottish independence just not in the first two years of the new Parliament. That’ll be a Labour/SNP coalition and a referendum in 2022 then. Think floating voters are going to go for that . . . . . . . Blackford as Deputy PM . . . . . . . . seriously?
I spent yesterday evening catching up on Spiral on iPlayer. Having seen some extracts of the debate, I think watching a tale of everyday French crime and corruption was time better spent. Although I might bother to get up and vote on the day, I really can't see that it's worth wasting any time at all listening to either of those jokers.
On a related point, my doorbell went at the weekend - imagine my relief when I discovered it was the Jehovah's Witnesses rather than a canvasser
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On a related point, my doorbell went at the weekend - imagine my relief when I discovered it was the Jehovah's Witnesses rather than a canvasser
.turbobloke said:
wolfracesonic said:
If you were to compare last nights debate to First World War naval battles fought in the North Sea, Boris, in his role as the British Grand fleet did all that was needed.
Agreed, yet a YouGov panel gave Boris a mere 2 point win.king unelectable. psi310398 said:
I spent yesterday evening catching up on Spiral on iPlayer. Having seen some extracts of the debate, I think watching a tale of everyday French crime and corruption was time better spent. Although I might bother to get up and vote on the day, I really can't see that it's worth wasting any time at all listening to either of those jokers.
On a related point, my doorbell went at the weekend - imagine my relief when I discovered it was the Jehovah's Witnesses rather than a canvasser.
Time well spent.On a related point, my doorbell went at the weekend - imagine my relief when I discovered it was the Jehovah's Witnesses rather than a canvasser
.jsf said:
Dift said:
His view would be to get the best deal for the workforce and country. That should be his view. He then presents 3 options to the public, they choose.
It's an "informed" version of the initial referendum using a deal generated by labour with 3 potential options.
Like I said I'm not a labour voter, but I understand this logic, whether it is right or wrong... or sitting on the fence, and I
Where are you getting 3 options from?It's an "informed" version of the initial referendum using a deal generated by labour with 3 potential options.
Like I said I'm not a labour voter, but I understand this logic, whether it is right or wrong... or sitting on the fence, and I
Thats not Labour policy.
Only 2, remain or the Labour BRINO CU & SM deal.
NoddyonNitrous said:
jsf said:
Dift said:
His view would be to get the best deal for the workforce and country. That should be his view. He then presents 3 options to the public, they choose.
It's an "informed" version of the initial referendum using a deal generated by labour with 3 potential options.
Like I said I'm not a labour voter, but I understand this logic, whether it is right or wrong... or sitting on the fence, and I
Where are you getting 3 options from?It's an "informed" version of the initial referendum using a deal generated by labour with 3 potential options.
Like I said I'm not a labour voter, but I understand this logic, whether it is right or wrong... or sitting on the fence, and I
Thats not Labour policy.
Only 2, remain or the Labour BRINO CU & SM deal.
Labour claims that it would take about three months to negotiate a new deal, with a referendum held within six months. Alongside the newly negotiated “credible leave option”, the referendum ballot would also include the option to remain as an EU member.
turbobloke said:
wolfracesonic said:
If you were to compare last nights debate to First World War naval battles fought in the North Sea, Boris, in his role as the British Grand fleet did all that was needed.
Agreed, yet a YouGov panel gave Boris a mere 2 point win.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff