Discussion
jmorgan said:
as long as you forget you centre leanings and kiss Corbyns ring ....no thanks.McDonnell is really bot fit for high office
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/25/m...
Given the murder of Female Labour MP, you would think this would be an easy one to apologies and walk away from.
Calling for someone to be lynched ?
But then I guess if you are the sort of person who thinks this is accpetable
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11922464/...
Then I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Would love to hear from any devotees of the Corbyn revolution as to why the hard left are unable to articulate an political ideology without resorting to threats, violence, intimidation and gobbing in cups of tea ?
Won't hold my breath for an answer though
Whoozit said:
FN2TypeR said:
Rumours abound of circa 85 labour MPs about to walk - there is an embargo on a letter that the BBC have obtained which contains said rumours, that embargo supposedly ends in nine minutes.
If, when and maybe of course, still, that could be interesting!
Any update? Nothing on the BBC website so far.If, when and maybe of course, still, that could be interesting!
Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 26th September 07:39
).craigjm said:
McDonnell is a horrible individual. Corbyn is unelectable on his own, with McDonnell by his side he is casting Labour into oblivion as long as they are there.
Let's just look at the inspiration for Corbyn's "kinder politics" for a moment to see what he's really like. I should add that I'm a moderate right winger, so may be a little biased 
Corbyn, at a Labour party event quoted from an 'inspirational socialist', Enver Hoxa. Enver Hoxa was the Albanian communist leader, who's approach to anyone who didn't agree with him was to kill them. Estimated to have killed > 100,000 of his own people. A truly 'kind' political leader, not.
McDonnell, in the UK Parliament, recently pulled out Mao's Little Red Book, and told us how much we could learn from it. Chaiman Mao's version of 'kind' politics involved the killing of an estimated 45 Million people in just 4 years. He called this his 'great leap forward'.
Corbyn has referred to both Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends. Their 'kindness' involves launching random rocket attacks on civilians, and killing people who disagree with them. The number of people killed by these organizations is not clear - but the fact remains that if this is 'kindness', I really don't know how.
And finally, here's another quote, not from Jeremy Corbyn - but certainly expressing views that Corbyn & McDonnell have expressed: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Do we know who uttered those words? One Mr Adolf Hitler, in 1930s Germany.
Anyone want to take any guesses as to how Corbyn's "kinder politics" would look like in action??
Edited by DavidJG on Monday 26th September 11:07
craigjm said:
McDonnell is a horrible individual. Corbyn is unelectable on his own, with McDonnell by his side he is casting Labour into oblivion as long as they are there.
As McDonnell is so keen on being honest - that 
looks and acts like a child molester !Every time I see him my skin crawls.
CAPP0 said:
I did a (very) quick search on whether anyone's posted regarding this delightful tweet from someone listed as a guest speaker for Momentum, but didn't find anything:
Why does Momentum remind me of two other organizations:- The Hitler Youth
- Communist Pioneers
Could it be that both were dedicated to indoctrinating young brains with political idealogy?
"What's he on about?", you ask. Did you know that Momentum is now organizing youth groups, for the children of its members?? This is scary stuff. It's the 1930s in Germany and Russia all over again.
Joey Ramone said:
sidicks said:
Joey Ramone said:
I'm glad you have, because if you add all this financial abuse of the system up, it still amounts to pretty much fk all in the wider scheme of things. It's estimated that benefit fraud costs about £2bn a year. Which is about 6 days running costs for the NHS.
There are bigger fish to fry. Foreign Aid at £13bn a year for example. H2S, which has cost £2bn and hasn't even been fking started yet.
You're confusing benefit fraud with people simply being entitled to too many benefits - when people are complaining about a cap on benefits which is not so much higher than average household income, then things are clearly wrong. The fact that 2/3rds of all household collect some form of benefit just shows how ridiculous things are.k all in the wider scheme of things. It's estimated that benefit fraud costs about £2bn a year. Which is about 6 days running costs for the NHS.There are bigger fish to fry. Foreign Aid at £13bn a year for example. H2S, which has cost £2bn and hasn't even been f
king started yet. The problem of course is that these wages are in no way sufficient to cope with the cost of living round here. (M4 corridor ). I personally don't see how a couple of these young Serco employees or others earning a similar amount could start a family, purchase a car and a modest property and get on with life. Not without quite hefty benefits. Sticks in my craw to say that but I earn multiples more than they do, have a reasonable mortgage, no children, pay no commuting costs and yet still find it difficult to get to the end of the month and have enough left over to put a little bit away for savings. You don't have to be a raving socialist to admit that for many people, wages are not keeping up with the cost of living.
I found myself unemployed a couple of years ago, and thus was trawling the local jobs sites on a daily basis. What shocked me was not only the absolutely limited range of jobs on offer (everyone in Swindon appears to work as a forklift driver) but the appalling pay even for the apparently high-end ones (IT management et al). `That was a real eye opener.
Having said all that, I'm about as ideologically opposed to Corbyn as it's possible to be.
Yes, it may be difficult for people to do the things you say, like buying a house, but there is also the argument that if there aren't the 'top-up' benefits available then the price of houses woulod be lower anyway if no one could afford them.
johnxjsc1985 said:
what is it we are going to manufacture and who is going to buy it.
Is there not a very good opportunity to get these people Sectioned under the Mental Health Act because only a madman would want to go down the route which Corbyn plans
Ah, but once you ignore the 'tyranny of the market' it matters not who, if anyone, will buy it. Is there not a very good opportunity to get these people Sectioned under the Mental Health Act because only a madman would want to go down the route which Corbyn plans
Cobnapint said:
Agreed. And there lies the problem....how do you separate those who genuinely deserve/qualify for it, from those that don't.
Do they have sufficient to eat?Do they have weatherproof and heated house?
Are their kids free of health/nutrition problems?
If the answer to the above is 'yes' then the probably don't need it.
Do they have the latest smart phone?
Do they have a f
k-off big telly with Sky/Virgin, etc?Do they have a vehicle on the drive worth more than about a grand?
If the answer to any of those is 'yes' then they probably don't need it.
Obviously this is a bit of a simplification of things but it really isn't rocket science.
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