Explosions reported in Manchester?
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m3jappa said:
Genuine question.
Why is it acceptable to pander to a group of people who believe in something which the rest of us think is make believe?
People are laughed at for saying the queens a reptilian, or the pyramids are built by aliens, or the us government were responsible for the twin towers attack.
But its perfectly acceptable to believe in allah and all that it brings. If religion was bought out today it would be ridiculed.
It's like football hooliganism. "Our team (religion) is the best. We don't like you because you support another."Why is it acceptable to pander to a group of people who believe in something which the rest of us think is make believe?
People are laughed at for saying the queens a reptilian, or the pyramids are built by aliens, or the us government were responsible for the twin towers attack.
But its perfectly acceptable to believe in allah and all that it brings. If religion was bought out today it would be ridiculed.
i try my hardest not to be one of the ranting racist people i see on facebook but i do belive there is a deep problem with islam and living in a western country.
Half of the paramedics helping last night were probably muslim and majority do not want to go around killing people but the teachings of islam say being homosexual should be punished hence the 2 gay guys being publicly whipped in indonesia today.
The one thing i think we need to change is religious schools, How are different groups of people meant to intergrate when they are seperated as children and one learns being homosexual is bad and one group get told they can identify as a fluid gender swapping apache attack helicopter and thats fine.
Half of the paramedics helping last night were probably muslim and majority do not want to go around killing people but the teachings of islam say being homosexual should be punished hence the 2 gay guys being publicly whipped in indonesia today.
The one thing i think we need to change is religious schools, How are different groups of people meant to intergrate when they are seperated as children and one learns being homosexual is bad and one group get told they can identify as a fluid gender swapping apache attack helicopter and thats fine.
AreOut said:
UK citizens safety rights trump religion rights all day.
Muslim community in UK should be clearly told to clean up their mess and forward any information about possible extremists to authorities. Otherwise their right of public preaching should be banned if this happens again, first temporarily (say a month or a year), and if it happens again then it's a permanent ban.
If they like their religion more than UK way of life they are free to go wherever they want.
It's not a guarantee this wouldn't happen again but with time they will focus on "weaker" countries which would eventually apply same restrictions as UK and so on until they realise their peaceful religion is getting less popular by day.
I'd like to hear a less radical solution that would work.
At least one copper on this forum has stated that the majority of intelligence on Muslim extremists comes from the Muslim community.Muslim community in UK should be clearly told to clean up their mess and forward any information about possible extremists to authorities. Otherwise their right of public preaching should be banned if this happens again, first temporarily (say a month or a year), and if it happens again then it's a permanent ban.
If they like their religion more than UK way of life they are free to go wherever they want.
It's not a guarantee this wouldn't happen again but with time they will focus on "weaker" countries which would eventually apply same restrictions as UK and so on until they realise their peaceful religion is getting less popular by day.
I'd like to hear a less radical solution that would work.
Lets hope the terror threat has been raised to critical as a precaution rather than they have intelligence that another attack is planned that they have been unable to foil
The security service has served us utterly faultlessly in the past few years at preventing planned attacks like this. Sadly this attack was able to slip under the radar and i can only pray that there are not more from a wider network with bomb making experience who have done the same
The security service has served us utterly faultlessly in the past few years at preventing planned attacks like this. Sadly this attack was able to slip under the radar and i can only pray that there are not more from a wider network with bomb making experience who have done the same
AreOut said:
UK citizens safety rights trump religion rights all day.
Muslim community in UK should be clearly told to clean up their mess and forward any information about possible extremists to authorities. Otherwise their right of public preaching should be banned if this happens again, first temporarily (say a month or a year), and if it happens again then it's a permanent ban.
If they like their religion more than UK way of life they are free to go wherever they want.
It's not a guarantee this wouldn't happen again but with time they will focus on "weaker" countries which would eventually apply same restrictions as UK and so on until they realise their peaceful religion is getting less popular by day.
I'd like to hear a less radical solution that would work.
The few interviews I've seen with neighbours of the family of the attacker suggest they were a fairly quiet family who don't particularly mix with others.Muslim community in UK should be clearly told to clean up their mess and forward any information about possible extremists to authorities. Otherwise their right of public preaching should be banned if this happens again, first temporarily (say a month or a year), and if it happens again then it's a permanent ban.
If they like their religion more than UK way of life they are free to go wherever they want.
It's not a guarantee this wouldn't happen again but with time they will focus on "weaker" countries which would eventually apply same restrictions as UK and so on until they realise their peaceful religion is getting less popular by day.
I'd like to hear a less radical solution that would work.
Do you think many mosques actually preach hate? Isn't it more likely to be happening either online or in small groups away from mosques, given that security services are monitoring many of them. I believe Countdown confirmed his mosque records all services and these are retained. Perhaps all religious establishments should be required to do this?
m3jappa said:
Genuine question.
Why is it acceptable to pander to a group of people who believe in something which the rest of us think is make believe?
People are laughed at for saying the queens a reptilian, or the pyramids are built by aliens, or the us government were responsible for the twin towers attack.
But its perfectly acceptable to believe in allah and all that it brings. If religion was bought out today it would be ridiculed.
I once listened to a radio presenter basically ridicule David Icke for his beliefs, then later in his show he had an Imam and a bishop on discussing religion.Why is it acceptable to pander to a group of people who believe in something which the rest of us think is make believe?
People are laughed at for saying the queens a reptilian, or the pyramids are built by aliens, or the us government were responsible for the twin towers attack.
But its perfectly acceptable to believe in allah and all that it brings. If religion was bought out today it would be ridiculed.
While I respect someones right to follow whatever religion or belief they want. They must also respect my right to say it is a load of twaddle.
I would say its a bit like closing the gate once the horse has bolted but the horse has been gone so long the gate has rusted open.
People can criticise people like Tommy Robinson all they like he is right and has been right from the start. Contrary to how people like to portray him I dont think he is a "racist" in the way most do albeit like all of us he is of course racist to an extent.
He is right that the bigger problem is inaction by our government. Inaction in stamping out extremism in the Prisons. Inaction in removing those who wish harm on the people of the UK who the intelligence and police services know are a threat.
I struggle to understand how people who have gone to fight or join Isis outside the UK are allowed back into the UK. Frankly as soon as the intelligence services can prove a person is aligned with IS or any other terror group who wishes harm on innocent civilians whether its in the ME or the UK their passport should be cancelled and they should be barred from the UK for life.
Anyone in the UK who is a known Islamic extremist should be arrested and put on a plane out of the UK to the ME and should have their British passport revoked for life.
Live by the sword die by the sword. If they think that lifestyle is so great then they should live somewhere that is acceptable.
People can criticise people like Tommy Robinson all they like he is right and has been right from the start. Contrary to how people like to portray him I dont think he is a "racist" in the way most do albeit like all of us he is of course racist to an extent.
He is right that the bigger problem is inaction by our government. Inaction in stamping out extremism in the Prisons. Inaction in removing those who wish harm on the people of the UK who the intelligence and police services know are a threat.
I struggle to understand how people who have gone to fight or join Isis outside the UK are allowed back into the UK. Frankly as soon as the intelligence services can prove a person is aligned with IS or any other terror group who wishes harm on innocent civilians whether its in the ME or the UK their passport should be cancelled and they should be barred from the UK for life.
Anyone in the UK who is a known Islamic extremist should be arrested and put on a plane out of the UK to the ME and should have their British passport revoked for life.
Live by the sword die by the sword. If they think that lifestyle is so great then they should live somewhere that is acceptable.
frankenstein12 said:
Anyone in the UK who is a known Islamic extremist should be arrested and put on a plane out of the UK to the ME and should have their British passport revoked for life.
Where do you propose to send someone who is born British, as in the Manchester case?As with most recent attacks, the attacker has been 2nd or 3rd generation native to the country they attacked.
AreOut said:
TTwiggy said:
At least one copper on this forum has stated that the majority of intelligence on Muslim extremists comes from the Muslim community.
I know that, but it's obviously not enough.Dr Murdoch said:
chilistrucker said:
UK terror threat level raised to critical.
Yet we are still pals with Saudi Arabia...From a piece in this weeks telegraph....
telegraph said:
The US State Department has estimated that over the past four decades Riyadh has invested more than $10bn (£6bn) into charitable foundations in an attempt to replace mainstream Sunni Islam with the harsh intolerance of its Wahhabism. EU intelligence experts estimate that 15 to 20 per cent of this has been diverted to al-Qaida and other violent jihadists.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/what-is-wahhabism-the-reactionary-branch-of-islam-said-to-be-the/amp/TTwiggy said:
How much more should they be telling the authorities then? They are already the biggest source of intelligence but obviously they can only pass on what they know. I rather suspect that nothing is going to be good enough for you.
no, until the number of terror attacks is down to zero nothing will be good for meAreOut said:
UK citizens safety rights trump religion rights all day.
Muslim community in UK should be clearly told to clean up their mess and forward any information about possible extremists to authorities. Otherwise their right of public preaching should be banned if this happens again, first temporarily (say a month or a year), and if it happens again then it's a permanent ban.
If they like their religion more than UK way of life they are free to go wherever they want.
It's not a guarantee this wouldn't happen again but with time they will focus on "weaker" countries which would eventually apply same restrictions as UK and so on until they realise their peaceful religion is getting less popular by day.
I'd like to hear a less radical solution that would work.
How would that work in practice? Just the mere utterance of the words 'you're banned from doing that' doesn't stop things from happening.Muslim community in UK should be clearly told to clean up their mess and forward any information about possible extremists to authorities. Otherwise their right of public preaching should be banned if this happens again, first temporarily (say a month or a year), and if it happens again then it's a permanent ban.
If they like their religion more than UK way of life they are free to go wherever they want.
It's not a guarantee this wouldn't happen again but with time they will focus on "weaker" countries which would eventually apply same restrictions as UK and so on until they realise their peaceful religion is getting less popular by day.
I'd like to hear a less radical solution that would work.
BlackLabel said:
Dr Murdoch said:
chilistrucker said:
UK terror threat level raised to critical.
Yet we are still pals with Saudi Arabia...From a piece in this weeks telegraph....
telegraph said:
The US State Department has estimated that over the past four decades Riyadh has invested more than $10bn (£6bn) into charitable foundations in an attempt to replace mainstream Sunni Islam with the harsh intolerance of its Wahhabism. EU intelligence experts estimate that 15 to 20 per cent of this has been diverted to al-Qaida and other violent jihadists.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/what-is-wahhabism-the-reactionary-branch-of-islam-said-to-be-the/amp/
t western governments do this is something I find simply staggering. BlueHave said:
The more money the terrorist supporting countries have the more of blind eye is turned to the activities of their citizens.
Indeed.Another question for those in the know on these types of things?
Has the threat level been raised on genuine beliefs that another attack could be imminent? Or could it be more of a case that those in the know have tried to play things as low key as possible in recent years to avoid fear, panic, whatever you want to call it, but now in light of recent events they feel its a good time to possibly visibly put troops on the street.
Maybe a flexing of muscles.
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