Nasty crash in B’Ham

[techguyone]

I spent the best part of ten years going up and down that road, there are cameras there, including a very sneaky one just before the Mosque well hidden by a tree that's caught out more than a few.

Fact is, outside of rush hours, it's not a terribly challenging road, its wide, mostly straight with a dip and a bit of a bend, I'd reckon the average speed through there was well above 60, only way you'll combat that would be to do like they do further back along the edgbaston road and have a stretch of avg speed SPECS cameras say from the DWP building to the Mosque as the couple of GATSO's and red light cameras are too easily gotten around once you know where they are.

[Sam.]

FiF said:

Sam. said:

Watched this last night. I can't even begin to imagine the mental difficulties that the job can cause to emergency services. I just hope that the help and care they need will be given to them.

These programs may just be for TV but it really does show what they do for us.

That was difficult viewing. Things like ages spent working on victims only for life to be extinguished. Then the raw guilt from the controllers who had prioritised Betty the 89 year old as lowest priority, only to learn that when a crew had finally got there after 6.5 hours they took her straight to QE with suspected sepsis.

Just goes to show how over stretched they are and that controllers who are possibly not the most well paid are being put into the situation where they have to make the decision of who may live and who may not.

I certainly wouldn't ever want to be in that position.

[Sa Calobra]

Tbh the controller was hard on herself. A few hours delay wouldn't have meant a big difference due to her age?

Due to the circumstances of the major scene that outcome couldn't have been different.

[FiF]

Yes maybe she was hard on herself but it demonstrates something about the people involved.

Also something was demonstrated about the kind of gobby prat who'd been shot in the arse and previously stabbed on twenty odd occasions. No apologies for calling him a prat either, utter pillock.

[Dr Jekyll]

Sa Calobra said:

Anyone driving through some traffic in a suburban area albeit dual carriageway down a dip and rise would struggle at the speed reported.

Blue light trained drivers would err on caution.


Speed does kill. If he was doing 40 he wouldn't have crashed.

40 is still a 'speed'

Perhaps it's excess speed that causes the problem.

[Digga]

Dr Jekyll said:

Sa Calobra said:

Anyone driving through some traffic in a suburban area albeit dual carriageway down a dip and rise would struggle at the speed reported.

Blue light trained drivers would err on caution.


Speed does kill. If he was doing 40 he wouldn't have crashed.

40 is still a 'speed'

Perhaps it's excess speed that causes the problem.

If you are intoxicated, all bets are off, at any velocity. You have deliberately and knowingly reduced your abilities and thereby also increased the danger you pose to others.

[rustfalia]

techguyone said:

I spent the best part of ten years going up and down that road, there are cameras there, including a very sneaky one just before the Mosque well hidden by a tree that's caught out more than a few.

Fact is, outside of rush hours, it's not a terribly challenging road, its wide, mostly straight with a dip and a bit of a bend, I'd reckon the average speed through there was well above 60, only way you'll combat that would be to do like they do further back along the edgbaston road and have a stretch of avg speed SPECS cameras say from the DWP building to the Mosque as the couple of GATSO's and red light cameras are too easily gotten around once you know where they are.

Recent local new story suggests that the average speed camera trials that have been taking place in the midlands will be rolled out across birmingham and I suspect the stretch will be included.

[PRTVR]

rustfalia said:

techguyone said:

I spent the best part of ten years going up and down that road, there are cameras there, including a very sneaky one just before the Mosque well hidden by a tree that's caught out more than a few.

Fact is, outside of rush hours, it's not a terribly challenging road, its wide, mostly straight with a dip and a bit of a bend, I'd reckon the average speed through there was well above 60, only way you'll combat that would be to do like they do further back along the edgbaston road and have a stretch of avg speed SPECS cameras say from the DWP building to the Mosque as the couple of GATSO's and red light cameras are too easily gotten around once you know where they are.

Recent local new story suggests that the average speed camera trials that have been taking place in the midlands will be rolled out across birmingham and I suspect the stretch will be included.

I foresee a rise in cloned plates in Birmingham, and a lot of people getting caught for a few mph over the limit, do people honestly believe that the type of person involved in the crash would care about speed cameras ?

[buggalugs]

In case anyone missed it, this accident was covered in an episode of Ambulance - sobering viewing. Starts at about 7:20

https://youtu.be/IK716LnLN7s?t=7m23s

[Countdown]

PRTVR said:

I foresee a rise in cloned plates in Birmingham, and a lot of people getting caught for a few mph over the limit, do people honestly believe that the type of person involved in the crash would care about speed cameras ?

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

The more that can be done to get dick drivers off the road the better IMO.

[SHutchinson]

buggalugs said:

In case anyone missed it, this accident was covered in an episode of Ambulance - sobering viewing. Starts at about 7:20

https://youtu.be/IK716LnLN7s?t=7m23s

That's really hard to watch. Those guys did a great job.

[Digga]

Countdown said:

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

Cloned plates mean that, not only do they not have to pay the fines, they often also don't have to bother with other nuisances like MOT, tax or insurance. If you follow any of the police regional roads Twitter feeds, this is a recurrent theme.

The police can and will pull cars and prosecute where cloned plates are being used, but clearly, right now, it's too easy to do and there are too many who see the risks, downsides, are insufficient to deter them.

[buggalugs]

SHutchinson said:

buggalugs said:

In case anyone missed it, this accident was covered in an episode of Ambulance - sobering viewing. Starts at about 7:20

https://youtu.be/IK716LnLN7s?t=7m23s

That's really hard to watch. Those guys did a great job.

They did. The speed of the response was shocking to me. There’s a bit where there are tons of people on scene working away and it feels like it must have been hours, then the time check is 15 minutes since the 999 call. That blew my mind a little bit.

[otolith]

When you've made the 999 call and you're waiting for the ambulance, minutes seem like an eternity.

[Gareth79]

Digga said:

Countdown said:

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

Cloned plates mean that, not only do they not have to pay the fines, they often also don't have to bother with other nuisances like MOT, tax or insurance. If you follow any of the police regional roads Twitter feeds, this is a recurrent theme.

The police can and will pull cars and prosecute where cloned plates are being used, but clearly, right now, it's too easy to do and there are too many who see the risks, downsides, are insufficient to deter them.

I assume that ANPR data isn't currently logged in any sort of way where it's feasible to run statistics to identify cloned vehicles. In theory if you know the location of the camera and the time, you can pull out a list of plates where it'd have been impossible for to have traveled to the other camera. That would mean either the plate was mis-read, or there are two vehicles with the same plates.

[ashleyman]

Digga said:

Countdown said:

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

Cloned plates mean that, not only do they not have to pay the fines, they often also don't have to bother with other nuisances like MOT, tax or insurance. If you follow any of the police regional roads Twitter feeds, this is a recurrent theme.

The police can and will pull cars and prosecute where cloned plates are being used, but clearly, right now, it's too easy to do and there are too many who see the risks, downsides, are insufficient to deter them.

This is also one thing a lot of 'car enthusiasts' seem to not understand.

We all love our cars, we love to share photos of our cars online. If for example you have a car like a Golf R that are being used in crime, scum just need to search car forums for a car in the same colour and have some plates made up.

They then have the freedom to drive their stolen car around and as you say, everyone thinks it has tax, insurance and an MOT. It also means that the car is untraceable to the actual drivers. A friend of mine was victim to this last year when 'his' Golf R was used to rob a bank in Liverpool whilst he was asleep with his car on the drive in Surrey. He also had numerous speeding tickets.

When posting on forums or Facebook groups it's always worth hiding number plates.

[LP670]

ashleyman said:

Digga said:

Countdown said:

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

Cloned plates mean that, not only do they not have to pay the fines, they often also don't have to bother with other nuisances like MOT, tax or insurance. If you follow any of the police regional roads Twitter feeds, this is a recurrent theme.

The police can and will pull cars and prosecute where cloned plates are being used, but clearly, right now, it's too easy to do and there are too many who see the risks, downsides, are insufficient to deter them.

This is also one thing a lot of 'car enthusiasts' seem to not understand.

We all love our cars, we love to share photos of our cars online. If for example you have a car like a Golf R that are being used in crime, scum just need to search car forums for a car in the same colour and have some plates made up.

They then have the freedom to drive their stolen car around and as you say, everyone thinks it has tax, insurance and an MOT. It also means that the car is untraceable to the actual drivers. A friend of mine was victim to this last year when 'his' Golf R was used to rob a bank in Liverpool whilst he was asleep with his car on the drive in Surrey. He also had numerous speeding tickets.

When posting on forums or Facebook groups it's always worth hiding number plates.

Wouldnt it be much easier searching Auto Trader, Ebay, Gumtree than forums.....

[Michaelbailey]

Impressive stuff from the paramedics and first response teams. Having nearly had my partner taken from me in a bike accident it gives you a new found gratitude.

[ashleyman]

LP670 said:

ashleyman said:

Digga said:

Countdown said:

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

Cloned plates mean that, not only do they not have to pay the fines, they often also don't have to bother with other nuisances like MOT, tax or insurance. If you follow any of the police regional roads Twitter feeds, this is a recurrent theme.

The police can and will pull cars and prosecute where cloned plates are being used, but clearly, right now, it's too easy to do and there are too many who see the risks, downsides, are insufficient to deter them.

This is also one thing a lot of 'car enthusiasts' seem to not understand.

We all love our cars, we love to share photos of our cars online. If for example you have a car like a Golf R that are being used in crime, scum just need to search car forums for a car in the same colour and have some plates made up.

They then have the freedom to drive their stolen car around and as you say, everyone thinks it has tax, insurance and an MOT. It also means that the car is untraceable to the actual drivers. A friend of mine was victim to this last year when 'his' Golf R was used to rob a bank in Liverpool whilst he was asleep with his car on the drive in Surrey. He also had numerous speeding tickets.

When posting on forums or Facebook groups it's always worth hiding number plates.

Wouldnt it be much easier searching Auto Trader, Ebay, Gumtree than forums.....

Probably but how can they guarantee the vehicle will be insured and have road tax?

Much easier to look at photos on Facebook or forums for cars that will be legal.

[dxg]

Gareth79 said:

Digga said:

Countdown said:

Apologies in case I'm missing something but If they don't care about speed cameras why are they going to bother with cloned plates?

Cloned plates mean that, not only do they not have to pay the fines, they often also don't have to bother with other nuisances like MOT, tax or insurance. If you follow any of the police regional roads Twitter feeds, this is a recurrent theme.

The police can and will pull cars and prosecute where cloned plates are being used, but clearly, right now, it's too easy to do and there are too many who see the risks, downsides, are insufficient to deter them.

I assume that ANPR data isn't currently logged in any sort of way where it's feasible to run statistics to identify cloned vehicles. In theory if you know the location of the camera and the time, you can pull out a list of plates where it'd have been impossible for to have traveled to the other camera. That would mean either the plate was mis-read, or there are two vehicles with the same plates.

Years back, there was supposed to be an EU initiative with embedded RFID chips and tamper-proof (i.e. they'd break if you tried to remove them) plates. But this was 6 or 7 years ago. I wonder what happened to that...