Lockdown Imminent
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survivalist said:
The whole thing is bonkers. Was supposed to be meeting some friends in London for food and beers next week. I’m 20 mins from London by train.
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
My workmate lives in what is now a Tier 2 area. On a Saturday night she and her husband regularly go out with her sister and brother-in-law for a meal. For this Saturday, they've simply booked two tables for two next to each other. She knows the two tables and reckons they're only around a metre apart. But, the restaurant is following the rules. So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
On Saturady I'm going to an (indoor, socially distanced) music event in a Tier 2 area. They rang me up today and asked if myself and the person I'd bought the other ticket for (which is Mrs72) were from the same household. I asked what would've happened if I'd said no - they said no problem, we'd just have to put two socially distanced tables for one out ...
survivalist said:
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was illegal for someone in a restricted area to enter a non restricted one and meet indoors with another household? Otherwise you have a pretty big loophole. RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
survivalist said:
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was illegal for someone in a restricted area to enter a non restricted one and meet indoors with another household? Otherwise you have a pretty big loophole. People should try to avoid travelling outside the ‘very high’ area they are in, or entering a ‘very high’ area, other than for things like work, education, accessing youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if they are in transit
People should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK if they are resident in a ‘very high’ area, or avoid staying overnight in a ‘very high’ area if they are resident elsewhere
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk...
survivalist said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
survivalist said:
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was illegal for someone in a restricted area to enter a non restricted one and meet indoors with another household? Otherwise you have a pretty big loophole. People should try to avoid travelling outside the ‘very high’ area they are in, or entering a ‘very high’ area, other than for things like work, education, accessing youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if they are in transit
People should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK if they are resident in a ‘very high’ area, or avoid staying overnight in a ‘very high’ area if they are resident elsewhere
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk...
The reality is that a venue in a Tier 1 area isn't going to question you as they aren't subject / enforcing Tier 3 rules. Unless you're a politician or celebrity you are probably safe from the covid marshals or whatever made up nonsense appears next.
sim72 said:
survivalist said:
The whole thing is bonkers. Was supposed to be meeting some friends in London for food and beers next week. I’m 20 mins from London by train.
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
My workmate lives in what is now a Tier 2 area. On a Saturday night she and her husband regularly go out with her sister and brother-in-law for a meal. For this Saturday, they've simply booked two tables for two next to each other. She knows the two tables and reckons they're only around a metre apart. But, the restaurant is following the rules. So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
On Saturady I'm going to an (indoor, socially distanced) music event in a Tier 2 area. They rang me up today and asked if myself and the person I'd bought the other ticket for (which is Mrs72) were from the same household. I asked what would've happened if I'd said no - they said no problem, we'd just have to put two socially distanced tables for one out ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54512833
What drives the move to Tier 2? It must be more than just the rate per 100k, because there are areas with higher rates than most, if not all, London Boroughs (Exeter with 311/100k , Bristol 164/100k Bournemouth 132/100k etc), but not moving to the next tier. Is it about community transmission or something else?
Hub said:
What drives the move to Tier 2? It must be more than just the rate per 100k, because there are areas with higher rates than most, if not all, London Boroughs (Exeter with 311/100k , Bristol 164/100k Bournemouth 132/100k etc), but not moving to the next tier. Is it about community transmission or something else?
Pretty sure it’s all made up nonsense. Some location authorities/mayors resisting the measures and some actively demanding it.Personally, I think the current approach is removing what little real community spirit there is left and is replacing it with bitter virtue signalling, all while encouraging everyone to become a busy body and keep tabs on their neighbours.
Before the tin foil hat accusations come in, I think it’s largely due to fear (among the populous) and incompetence (among the government) rather than some sort of clever plan to reset or subdue us ;-)
julianm said:
Sir Humphrey`s Four Stage Strategy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak
This would be massively preferable to what we have now. Maybe the old ways are the best ways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak
survivalist said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
survivalist said:
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was illegal for someone in a restricted area to enter a non restricted one and meet indoors with another household? Otherwise you have a pretty big loophole. People should try to avoid travelling outside the ‘very high’ area they are in, or entering a ‘very high’ area, other than for things like work, education, accessing youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if they are in transit
People should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK if they are resident in a ‘very high’ area, or avoid staying overnight in a ‘very high’ area if they are resident elsewhere
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk...
As a result of this new lockdown my friend's wife isn't keen on him going to meet our other friend outside of London this weekend but without him it's perfectly legitimate for me to go assuming Tier 1 rules apply there, but I can't see how only Tier 3 rules and not Tier 2 would supercede those. Either way my friend isn't worried about me bringing COVID from London
speedchick said:
Most of our positives were coming from the walk in no symptoms/no appointment test sites. They closed them all on Sunday to work on opening permanent nhs run sites where you need symptoms and appointment. Walki in site in town was doing over 400 tests a day,
the new site aims for 350.
Perhaps its the same where you are?
Hmmm so positive results will be down and they can say the lock down worked because they arnt testing everybody and 80% or so don’t even have symptoms the new site aims for 350.
Perhaps its the same where you are?
survivalist said:
I thought music was banned because it caused us to sing. Seems even saying a prayer is against the rules now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54512833
Apparently if you mutter and don’t give it beans you’re ok.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54512833
I would suggest the ‘Joe Cocker’ approach and you’ll be fine.
Hub said:
What drives the move to Tier 2? It must be more than just the rate per 100k, because there are areas with higher rates than most, if not all, London Boroughs (Exeter with 311/100k , Bristol 164/100k Bournemouth 132/100k etc), but not moving to the next tier. Is it about community transmission or something else?
I'm pretty sure Exeter, Bristol, Bournemouth have it in 1 particular demographic all have in common.....outside of that it's probably very low.R Mutt said:
survivalist said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
survivalist said:
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was illegal for someone in a restricted area to enter a non restricted one and meet indoors with another household? Otherwise you have a pretty big loophole. People should try to avoid travelling outside the ‘very high’ area they are in, or entering a ‘very high’ area, other than for things like work, education, accessing youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if they are in transit
People should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK if they are resident in a ‘very high’ area, or avoid staying overnight in a ‘very high’ area if they are resident elsewhere
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk...
As a result of this new lockdown my friend's wife isn't keen on him going to meet our other friend outside of London this weekend but without him it's perfectly legitimate for me to go assuming Tier 1 rules apply there, but I can't see how only Tier 3 rules and not Tier 2 would supercede those. Either way my friend isn't worried about me bringing COVID from London
2 households rule is/was in Scotland, depending on what part of Scotland you’re in.
It’s possible that Tier 2 rules apply to residents regardless of where they are, in which case Londoners shouldn’t mix indoors with any households even in a Tier 1 area.
Not sure this new system has simplified things in practice, especially since areas are chasing tiers on a daily basis at the moment.
R Mutt said:
survivalist said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
survivalist said:
So now if I go into London and we meet up it’s illegal. But if they hop on the same train and we go to a pub here it’s not.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was illegal for someone in a restricted area to enter a non restricted one and meet indoors with another household? Otherwise you have a pretty big loophole. People should try to avoid travelling outside the ‘very high’ area they are in, or entering a ‘very high’ area, other than for things like work, education, accessing youth services, to meet caring responsibilities or if they are in transit
People should avoid staying overnight in another part of the UK if they are resident in a ‘very high’ area, or avoid staying overnight in a ‘very high’ area if they are resident elsewhere
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk...
As a result of this new lockdown my friend's wife isn't keen on him going to meet our other friend outside of London this weekend but without him it's perfectly legitimate for me to go assuming Tier 1 rules apply there, but I can't see how only Tier 3 rules and not Tier 2 would supercede those. Either way my friend isn't worried about me bringing COVID from London
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