Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 3)

[Vickers_VC10]

98elise said:

Agreed. Singapore is tiny, and has very tough laws. They people are used to following rules, and they have low crime rates.

As the joke t shirts say. Singapore is a 'FINE' country

[Earthdweller]

Thesprucegoose said:

Britain doesn't give a fk about the poor and people outside London. Look at America they get stick but when the time has come, straight talking and direct actions. We get wishy washy rubbish. The middle class and Rich will survive the poor going to the wall. Shameful.

There’s me thinking this was a middle class and Rich disease in the UK

I didn’t think many from Tottenham went skiing in Italy for half term

[hyphen]

Thesprucegoose said:

Britain doesn't give a fk about the poor.

EDF energy were on the radio earlier, bills being waived for those on prepay meters, for those without its payment plans.

The poor stay as they are, the rich are always fine. Its the middle that get shafted.

Thesprucegoose said:

. Look at America they get stick but when the time has come, straight talking and direct actions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/us/coronavirus-testing-elite.html

Edited by hyphen on Friday 20th March 10:39

[Escapegoat]

Robertj21a said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Oakey said:

I don't know where you are but I was in ALDI last night and there's still plenty of tinned stuff and meat and fruit and veg. Someone earlier in the thread pointed out there's still a lot of pork products available and they were right, lots of bacon, gammon, ham, etc on the shelves so if you like bacon butties you're in luck!

Was there bread?

Plenty of bread everywhere. It's the lack of eggs that seems a bit puzzling - are the chickens on a go-slow ?

If they can't buy loo roll, perhaps people are eating extra eggs to get constipation?

[rxe]

Robertj21a said:

Plenty of bread everywhere. It's the lack of eggs that seems a bit puzzling - are the chickens on a go-slow ?

Chickens tend not to lay as much in the winter - was having this conversation with an ex egg producer yesterday. We also get a lot of eggs from France etc (very cheap, which is why they got out of the business in the UK). As the summer kicks in, we'll have loads.

[Coolbananas]

pghstochaj said:

Sorry but what?

The government decides how much we spend on the NHS (and how much we tax to achieve this).
The government decides how much staffing we have in the NHS and how many ICU beds we have.
The government decides when to increase resource and facilities in the event of a crisis.
The government decides how to support people impacted by the virus/isolation. I.e. pay.
They decide when to close the borders.
They decide what testing to do as people come to the UK.
They decide how to isolate people that may have corona.
They decide when to do a lock down or equivlanet.
When to close the schools etc.

You just have to compare Singapore and Italy to see how different decisions by different governments can completely change the consequences of all of this.

You need to stop panicking and grow up.

The UK has a population of over 67 million souls, Singapore has less than 6 million. The scales are completely different in terms of what the UK Government would have to provide for an unprecedented emergency contingency kept on the burner at great cost.

To have expected the UK to have the capacity to comfortably absorb what is now happening is wholly unrealistic and ignorant of what would be involved.

The Government is doing what it can in the face of a crisis. To sit on your bum at home and make daft criticisms about something you are very far removed from even remotely being an expert about is plain stupid.

Every country has its own cultural and resource differences to accommodate in dealing with this. There are many variables and not all will be equal for different regions, let alone countries. The scale of the challenge is something some here do not comprehend but still exercise their big pig ignorant gobs in condemning the very people and services who are working under extremely stressful and taxing conditions to save lives and make this crisis go away as quickly as possible.

[J4CKO]

pghstochaj said:

Coolbananas said:

Tell us the working population demographic of Denmark vs the UK and the cost vs cost comparison the respective Government's would have to create?

I don't need to, as far as I can see, I am comparing Denmark trying to keep people up to Denmark's average salary level by subsidising 75% of salary costs, vs. the UK doing what?

I heard new measures to that would be announced today potentially.

Really, they need to just do something like that to keep the economy going and worry about it later, kind of what I am doing doling out money to help the kids from my car fund, new car is no longer on the radar, doesnt matter one iota but keeping my kids healthy and as happy as possible is now the only agenda item.

The alternative, if people take to the streets to vent, and it snowballs is unthinkable.

If people feel secure that they wont lose their home that they will be fed they are less likely to go and smash fk out of stuff, if you are going to get some cash less likely to go out and take perhaps ? If you can order some new trainers from JD whilst watching Netflix (Only at SD but its not exactly like WW2 now is it) less likely to go and riad JD in person.

[pghstochaj]

jamoor said:

We also have 4 different healthcare systems, countries, police forces, multiple airports/ sea ports

You don't think that the government couldn't have closed down the country?

[964Cup]

pghstochaj said:

I missed this but the Danish government is covering 75% of salary costs, with companies asked to pay the remaining 25%. This is up to a limit of 23,000 Danish Krone, so not a very low number like SSP etc.

And us?

A suggestion that the government will be funding up to 60% of the median income - about 27k, so they'll provide 16.2k and leave employers to cover the rest. Not confirmed. Supposedly to be paid be reversal of the normal flow of PAYE payments.

It's a start, but won't be much comfort to my staff, most of whom are paid rather more. Or, in fact, it won't be much comfort to me since I intend to go on paying them.

[turbobloke]

pghstochaj said:

You just have to compare Singapore and Italy to see how different decisions by different governments can completely change the consequences of all of this.

Of course there's a major influence from government policy prior to an event, and government reaction when an event unfolds, but those aren't the only factors that determine outcomes. Demographics and culture/behaviour are also playing a significant role in this event. Partisan political hindsight won't help atm.

Talking of policy the N Italy lockdown started 3 weeks ago, for the sake of preservation of life let's hope they see a return soon. The lag is meant to be 2-3 weeks is it not?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/europe/co...

[Coolbananas]

pghstochaj said:

Coolbananas said:

Tell us the working population demographic of Denmark vs the UK and the cost vs cost comparison the respective Government's would have to create?

I don't need to, as far as I can see, I am comparing Denmark trying to keep people up to Denmark's average salary level by subsidising 75% of salary costs, vs. the UK doing what?

Proving you are just a gob with no clue. The scales on economy are very different.

[Not-The-Messiah]

b2hbm said:

Riley Blue said:

What really infuriates me are reports of OAPs wandering around as if nothing has happened.

They and anyone else who flouts advice and risks catching or spreading the virus should be made to sign one of these:

Having seen some of those who are so proud of the fact they are intending to carry on as normal that they've been on the local news saying so, I'd agree entirely. If nothing else it would focus their minds to what they're doing and what's the betting that they'd find a reason not to sign up ?

It's all sort about selfishness really though the people ignoring the advice are selfish because they think if they get it they will just go to hospital and get fixed, although I don't think all of them think that.

The people criticising these people only really care because of their own selfishness because if they get ill they want to make sure they get a bed.

I would consider filling in that form but the I remember I'm a middle aged white guy who voted Brexit and as a group we've been vilified as gammons stupid and racist, privileged, toxic and so on. Same with old people "all these old people will die soon so we should ignore them". Type of attitude.

So sod your form I feel I have no real reason to sacrifice myself for a nation where half the population hate you.

[turbobloke]

pghstochaj said:

jamoor said:

We also have 4 different healthcare systems, countries, police forces, multiple airports/ sea ports

You don't think that the government couldn't have closed down the country?

Did CMO and CSA advice recommend this?

[lampchair]

Not-The-Messiah said:

b2hbm said:

Riley Blue said:

What really infuriates me are reports of OAPs wandering around as if nothing has happened.

They and anyone else who flouts advice and risks catching or spreading the virus should be made to sign one of these:

Having seen some of those who are so proud of the fact they are intending to carry on as normal that they've been on the local news saying so, I'd agree entirely. If nothing else it would focus their minds to what they're doing and what's the betting that they'd find a reason not to sign up ?

It's all sort about selfishness really though the people ignoring the advice are selfish because they think if they get it they will just go to hospital and get fixed, although I don't think all of them think that.

The people criticising these people only really care because of their own selfishness because if they get ill they want to make sure they get a bed.

I would consider filling in that form but the I remember I'm a middle aged white guy who voted Brexit and as a group we've been vilified as gammons stupid and racist, privileged, toxic and so on. Same with old people "all these old people will die soon so we should ignore them". Type of attitude.

So sod your form I feel I have no real reason to sacrifice myself for a nation where half the population hate you.

Someone needs a hug.

[rich12]

Think I need to buy myself a chicken, pig and a cow. Cut out the middleman.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

964Cup said:

A suggestion that the government will be funding up to 60% of the median income - about 27k, so they'll provide 16.2k and leave employers to cover the rest. Not confirmed. Supposedly to be paid be reversal of the normal flow of PAYE payments.

It's a start, but won't be much comfort to my staff, most of whom are paid rather more. Or, in fact, it won't be much comfort to me since I intend to go on paying them.

If they implement it the way they have the current assistance, it will be restricted to certain businesses only. Mine doesn't qualify for anything so far.

[Puggit]

Man arrested on Isle of Man for failing to self-isolate.

[Smiler.]

Puggit said:

Man arrested on Isle of Man for failing to self-isolate.

A bit OTT.

[pghstochaj]

Coolbananas said:

pghstochaj said:

Coolbananas said:

Tell us the working population demographic of Denmark vs the UK and the cost vs cost comparison the respective Government's would have to create?

I don't need to, as far as I can see, I am comparing Denmark trying to keep people up to Denmark's average salary level by subsidising 75% of salary costs, vs. the UK doing what?

Proving you are just a gob with no clue. The scales on economy are very different.

To be honest, I haven't got a clue what you are talking about "scales on economy"? I thought maybe that's something i missed but that phrase has half a dozen entries on google. Did you mean scales of economy? If so, that's the point, it's all relactive. Yes, we have a much larger workforce, but we also have a much larger economy.

Cost vs. cost comparison? Again, I'm not sure what you mean, but I suspect the answer is in the above. It's all relative.

Working age demographic? What does the demographic of the working population have to do with anything. Do you mean the demographic of the country and therefore the size of the working population?

Your real argument should be "taxes in Denmark are much higher so they can afford to do this compared to the UK". That's a good argument. But we are not exactly a low tax country, so my argument back would be "I agree, but whilst we probably couldn't afford to pay 75% of the average salary, we can probably afford a lower percentage and it might save people and businesses which will save money in the longer term".

[Puggit]

Chinese doctor who raised the alarm (and subsequently died) is pardoned by the Chinese state, and they will pay towards his funeral.

Also no new home grown cases for 2nd day in a row.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-china-apolo...