Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Coin Slot. said:
ElectricSoup said:
Who are "they" and why do they want me to panic?
The media and because it sells papers or creates clicks.But you already know this so I don't understand why you're asking the question?
Piha said:
It is starting to appear that the wider UK population, organisations and companies have rejected Boris' plans.
Everywhere you look organisations/companies/individuals are taking a decision that goes further than what the Gov has laid out. I don't wish to politicise this event but when we consider that our PM has been caught lying time and again, then I wonder if this comes as a surprise to anyone other than the PM's supporters?
I would propose they are looking after themselves. They don't want to be sued because they did not create a safe work environment.Everywhere you look organisations/companies/individuals are taking a decision that goes further than what the Gov has laid out. I don't wish to politicise this event but when we consider that our PM has been caught lying time and again, then I wonder if this comes as a surprise to anyone other than the PM's supporters?
Red 4 said:
citizensm1th said:
Red 4 said:
Agammemnon said:
Red 4 said:
My Missus is (relatively) senior NHS.
Is that similar to doctors' receptionists becoming medical experts due to proximity? 
HTH.
I suspect my missus knows more about the current state of play than most Doctors though
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Piha said:
Sam.M said:
Piha said:
It is starting to appear that the wider UK population, organisations and companies have rejected Boris' plans.
Everywhere you look organisations/companies/individuals are taking a decision that goes further than what the Gov has laid out. I don't wish to politicise this event but when we consider that our PM has been caught lying time and again, then I wonder if this comes as a surprise to anyone other than the PM's supporters?
I'm not a supporter of the PM, I couldn't bring myself to vote for him in the general. I couldn't help but feel the press conference yesterday was well delivered and measured and unlike the other blond world leader he's so often compared to he is taking the scientific viewpoint and deferring to our experts.Everywhere you look organisations/companies/individuals are taking a decision that goes further than what the Gov has laid out. I don't wish to politicise this event but when we consider that our PM has been caught lying time and again, then I wonder if this comes as a surprise to anyone other than the PM's supporters?
I can understand why businesses are taking action now, even if the virus is not deadly to the majority of the working age population it could knock people out of work for a week or two. Companies are trying to ensure continuity of business.
To assert that they're doing this out of any true concern for individual welfare is a little naive in my view.
garyhun said:
So are the less panicked amongst us still going about there lives as normal or doing anything different.
I'm a wedding photographer, it's business as usual unless the govt bans weddings, which seems very unlikely at the moment. I wouldn't otherwise choose to put myself with large groups of people who have travelled from all over the country!Can't say it's a nice situation (for the families or suppliers) as I'm sure given the choice everyone would delay, but obviously a huge financial cost to that.
Piha said:
Sam.M said:
Piha said:
It is starting to appear that the wider UK population, organisations and companies have rejected Boris' plans.
Everywhere you look organisations/companies/individuals are taking a decision that goes further than what the Gov has laid out. I don't wish to politicise this event but when we consider that our PM has been caught lying time and again, then I wonder if this comes as a surprise to anyone other than the PM's supporters?
I'm not a supporter of the PM, I couldn't bring myself to vote for him in the general. I couldn't help but feel the press conference yesterday was well delivered and measured and unlike the other blond world leader he's so often compared to he is taking the scientific viewpoint and deferring to our experts.Everywhere you look organisations/companies/individuals are taking a decision that goes further than what the Gov has laid out. I don't wish to politicise this event but when we consider that our PM has been caught lying time and again, then I wonder if this comes as a surprise to anyone other than the PM's supporters?
I can understand why businesses are taking action now, even if the virus is not deadly to the majority of the working age population it could knock people out of work for a week or two. Companies are trying to ensure continuity of business.
To assert that they're doing this out of any true concern for individual welfare is a little naive in my view.
Murph7355 said:
red_slr said:
Sambucket said:
If this virus prefers the cold, won't there likely be a second wave come winter, unless we kill it globally?
That's whats being said, the UK CMO was on sky this morning and he said if we don't gather some kind of immunity we could be at risk towards the end of the year of a second wave. (or words to that effect)I think what they are getting at is we need to isolate only when enough of the popn have a dose.
I.e if we have a week where 25% of people are newly infected then we shut everything down, wait for them to pass it onto their house. Then its 50% infected. Wait a few weeks, just under half the population are now immune (some will be dead), and then we can get back to BAU.
Then if a second wave comes we already have a lot of people who are immune.
Where as other countries are going the route of keeping people safe now, so no infection. But down the line they may have to keep isolating people over and over unless they are willing to take the hit like we will have done.
That's how I read it.
Trying to cover it now and then in winter later in the year just compounds baseline seasonal impacts.
I don't think enough multifaceted data exists to be able to have a single conclusive analysis (by country, as each country has different demographics, industry, weather etc etc etc).
Fun and games await for the next 12mths I suspect.
rival38 said:
Various sources ( inc The Times ) report that Iran is excavating mass graves visible from space. Perhaps this is balls, and they are digging some huge new swimming pools. But opposition parties claim the death toll is 3.5k and climbing fast.
The graveyard is not visible from space, its visible on Google earth.It's an existing graveyard for a large city, and has roads etc that have been there for years.
It may be that they are excavating graves in preparation for burials, but it's not massive holes in the ground in the middle of nowhere.
citizensm1th said:
Chief medical officer or some NHS middle manager hmmmmmm its a hard one to decide who might be best qualified to give advice
Is everyone being deliberately obtuse or can they just not read?Red 4 stated that he knows there is 'a lot going on behind the scenes' and he knows this because his wife is an NHS manager.
He then speculated whether this 'lots' would be too little too late. At no point did he say what his wife's views were on the subject.
Sort yourselves out FFS.
Oh well, have tickets for Spurs v United Sunday, guess I'll not be going then!
Maybe a good job as the mates I'm going with are English, Italian and Iranian...
I seem to remember feeling quote poorly in November last year, temperature, aching joints, usual 'man flu' symptoms, many others from work and friends were also poorly around that time, perhaps people have already had it and mistook it for a common cold...is my suspicion anyway...
Maybe a good job as the mates I'm going with are English, Italian and Iranian...
I seem to remember feeling quote poorly in November last year, temperature, aching joints, usual 'man flu' symptoms, many others from work and friends were also poorly around that time, perhaps people have already had it and mistook it for a common cold...is my suspicion anyway...
EddieSteadyGo said:
Murph7355 said:
red_slr said:
Sambucket said:
If this virus prefers the cold, won't there likely be a second wave come winter, unless we kill it globally?
That's whats being said, the UK CMO was on sky this morning and he said if we don't gather some kind of immunity we could be at risk towards the end of the year of a second wave. (or words to that effect)I think what they are getting at is we need to isolate only when enough of the popn have a dose.
I.e if we have a week where 25% of people are newly infected then we shut everything down, wait for them to pass it onto their house. Then its 50% infected. Wait a few weeks, just under half the population are now immune (some will be dead), and then we can get back to BAU.
Then if a second wave comes we already have a lot of people who are immune.
Where as other countries are going the route of keeping people safe now, so no infection. But down the line they may have to keep isolating people over and over unless they are willing to take the hit like we will have done.
That's how I read it.
Trying to cover it now and then in winter later in the year just compounds baseline seasonal impacts.
I don't think enough multifaceted data exists to be able to have a single conclusive analysis (by country, as each country has different demographics, industry, weather etc etc etc).
Fun and games await for the next 12mths I suspect.
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