BBC Womens pay gap
Discussion
Moonhawk said:
cookie118 said:
Simple-I don’t oppose fixing the gaps above. I think they’re issues to be raised and dealt with.
Why do they need to be "dealt with" though. If men are happy with their choice to sacrifice work/life balance for greater pay and to get higher up the career ladder - surely there is no issue?
Men "on average" may earn more as a bottom line - but when you start totting up all the sacrifices they make in terms of work life balance to attain it, are they really better off as a result?
What we should be doing is taking a holistic view. Instead of just looking at pay and saying "there is a gap".....perhaps if we assigned monetary value to those things listed above - then looked at the whole package - it would make more sense.
How much is the extra 2 hours a day commuting worth? How much are the extra 18 months at retirement age worth? How much is the reduced life expectancy due to doing dangerous or hazardous jobs worth?
cookie118 said:
Because I don’t think it’s a zero sum game. I think if you look at addressing the issues that affect both genders everyone will be better off.
You are wrong. If you leave it to sort it self out you will end up with the results we have now.
The only way you can equalise is to start taking away peoples choices.
Is that what you want?
They've now invented the gender pensions gap ffs ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/pensions/article-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/pensions/article-...
PurpleMoonlight said:
They've now invented the gender pensions gap ffs ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/pensions/article-...
To paraphrase the article - women 'on average' get smaller state pension because on average they have fewer qualifying years...........http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/pensions/article-...
A woman with the same number of qualifying years will get exactly the same state pension as a man with the same number of qualifying years.
Where is the discrimination?
Also
"In the past, women have often found themselves getting a smaller state pension than men due to taking time out of work to care for family members"
You can make voluntary NI payments during these periods to fill in the gaps........if these women/families failed to do so - that's surely that's their own failing. The mechanisms are there, but nobody can force you to use them.
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 21st April 17:49
Also no reference to the fact woman on average live around 4 years longer than men.
They just use a typical 20 years when they should be doing it something like 18 years for the men 22 years for the women.
And guess what if you do and calculate the total. Men £153.86 a week for 18 years women £125.98 22 years, they both come to almost identical figures of around £144,000.
They just use a typical 20 years when they should be doing it something like 18 years for the men 22 years for the women.
And guess what if you do and calculate the total. Men £153.86 a week for 18 years women £125.98 22 years, they both come to almost identical figures of around £144,000.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Also no reference to the fact woman on average live around 4 years longer than men.
Did they correct for the fact that women still get to draw their state pension earlier than men too? True parity in this area won't be reached until around the end of this year when men's and women's state pension ages finally come into line.
In 1990, the average woman could expect to draw her state pension for 18 years (a combination of longer life expectancy and earlier retirement age). For men, it was less than half that.
It's funny - for some 'gaps' they look backwards and average over past events (like the gender pay gap). Yet for the pensions gap - they seem to be projecting forwards. Taking the average weekly state pension and projecting forward over the next 20 years (I guess because if they projected backwards like they do for pay - it would show a massive gap in favour of women owing to longer life expectancy and earlier retirement age).
Whatever fits with the agenda I guess.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 22 April 10:21
Another "gap" story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44102...
This time actress Salma Hayek has called on Holywood actors to take a pay cut because:
"inflated fees demanded by some leading actors, whom she did not name, could mean there was less money left for their female co-stars"
My immediate question is - instead of protesting, why don't these actresses simply negotiate for the same 'inflated fees'? What can the studios say if they all do this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44102...
This time actress Salma Hayek has called on Holywood actors to take a pay cut because:
"inflated fees demanded by some leading actors, whom she did not name, could mean there was less money left for their female co-stars"
My immediate question is - instead of protesting, why don't these actresses simply negotiate for the same 'inflated fees'? What can the studios say if they all do this?
Moonhawk said:
Another "gap" story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44102...
This time actress Salma Hayek has called on Holywood actors to take a pay cut because:
"inflated fees demanded by some leading actors, whom she did not name, could mean there was less money left for their female co-stars"
My immediate question is - instead of protesting, why don't these actresses simply negotiate for the same 'inflated fees'? What can the studios say if they all do this?
I wonder what she thinks of the pay gap between stars and camera crew and grips etc. I wonder why she has never called for stars to be paid less so they can be paid more.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44102...
This time actress Salma Hayek has called on Holywood actors to take a pay cut because:
"inflated fees demanded by some leading actors, whom she did not name, could mean there was less money left for their female co-stars"
My immediate question is - instead of protesting, why don't these actresses simply negotiate for the same 'inflated fees'? What can the studios say if they all do this?
Pesty said:
I wonder what she thinks of the pay gap between stars and camera crew and grips etc. I wonder why she has never called for stars to be paid less so they can be paid more.
Exactly.It is ironic that those protesting loudest about an apparent gender pay gap - are those who are very highly paid. Salma Hayek has an estimated net worth of $85 million. That puts her in the top 0.03% of the US population (and the top 0.0008% globally).
Over 324 million people in the US alone have a net worth lower than her - and half of those will be men. It's difficult to have sympathy when somebody being paid £X million complains about somebody else getting £Y million - when those on minimum wage all get paid the same.
Actors don't generally get paid by the hour - they get paid based on what the studio thinks they'll bring in terms of box office performance and what they (or their agents) are prepared to negotiate for.
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 30th June 13:56
Shame, I liked Eddie......
Mair quits BBC after refusing salary cut
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-mair-quit...
Mair quits BBC after refusing salary cut
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-mair-quit...
Jockman said:
Shame, I liked Eddie......
Mair quits BBC after refusing salary cut
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-mair-quit...
and doubles his salary apparently.Mair quits BBC after refusing salary cut
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-mair-quit...
It appears not all of his pay was due to his gender
JagLover said:
Jockman said:
Shame, I liked Eddie......
Mair quits BBC after refusing salary cut
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-mair-quit...
and doubles his salary apparently.Mair quits BBC after refusing salary cut
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-mair-quit...
It appears not all of his pay was due to his gender
Why the f
k would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?
That is assuming that the roles, experience, flexibility, working hours, difficulty or role etc between both male and female workers are identical.
fk, should I take a paycut to my Mrs salary of £18k a year ?
Idiots. Good on him for moving on.
k would the BBC cut male pay rather than increase Female pay?That is assuming that the roles, experience, flexibility, working hours, difficulty or role etc between both male and female workers are identical.
f
k, should I take a paycut to my Mrs salary of £18k a year ? Idiots. Good on him for moving on.
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