Is this the last tory government
Discussion
powerstroke said:
So stupid woman is being bullied into taking the chance of a deal off the table by her own side ....
We will never be allowed to leave, they are all just pretending to put up a fight for the democratic vote we had. I feel this has been the case since the vote.Now there's talk of a second referendum, something they clearly stated would never happen, yet here we are, and what are the chances the next vote will be rigged somehow.
chris watton said:
powerstroke said:
So stupid woman is being bullied into taking the chance of a deal off the table by her own side ....
We will never be allowed to leave, they are all just pretending to put up a fight for the democratic vote we had. I feel this has been the case since the vote.Now there's talk of a second referendum, something they clearly stated would never happen, yet here we are, and what are the chances the next vote will be rigged somehow.
chris watton said:
powerstroke said:
So stupid woman is being bullied into taking the chance of a deal off the table by her own side ....
We will never be allowed to leave, they are all just pretending to put up a fight for the democratic vote we had. I feel this has been the case since the vote.Now there's talk of a second referendum, something they clearly stated would never happen, yet here we are, and what are the chances the next vote will be rigged somehow.
table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class f
king , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...powerstroke said:
Well at least its made me rule out ever voting tory .... hopefully brexit has finally finished them as a few crumbs of the masters
table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class fking , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...
You sound a bit unhinged.table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class f
king , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...You’re not going to vote for them ever again AND you want the party to be destroyed?
The conservatives next election might be very different to this lot. Like any party, they’re not set in stone but are fluid and constantly evolving.
The Labour Party is unrecognisable now to the one in 1996. Compare conservatives under Thatcher to that of today.
All the parties need a good shake up though. The current political landscape in the UK apparently isn’t working for a lot of people.
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Well at least its made me rule out ever voting tory .... hopefully brexit has finally finished them as a few crumbs of the masters
table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class fking , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...
You sound a bit unhinged.table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class f
king , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...You’re not going to vote for them ever again AND you want the party to be destroyed?
The conservatives next election might be very different to this lot. Like any party, they’re not set in stone but are fluid and constantly evolving.
The Labour Party is unrecognisable now to the one in 1996. Compare conservatives under Thatcher to that of today.
All the parties need a good shake up though. The current political landscape in the UK apparently isn’t working for a lot of people.
El stovey said:
All the parties need a good shake up though. The current political landscape in the UK apparently isn’t working for a lot of people.
But what is the answer? With a 2 party system, the Lib Dems now a footnote in Westminster, and people who will vote Labour or Conservative because its what they've always done, where is that change going to come from, and how does it get enough traction to mount a real challenge to the incumbent leaders and ideas?
Condi said:
El stovey said:
All the parties need a good shake up though. The current political landscape in the UK apparently isn’t working for a lot of people.
But what is the answer? With a 2 party system, the Lib Dems now a footnote in Westminster, and people who will vote Labour or Conservative because its what they've always done, where is that change going to come from, and how does it get enough traction to mount a real challenge to the incumbent leaders and ideas?
My guess is that the Conservatives will break first, the membership has been well to the right of the leadership for some time, and Brexit has widened the gap. MPs will face angry constituency associations threatening to withdraw support if a succession of mediocre election results mean the party is in government but without a majority or in opposition to a Corbyn government.
What's missing from the political landscape is a socially conservative (tougher policing, tighter welfare) and fiscally liberal (increase spending on public services) option - the Conservatives at the moment are the opposite and are only still in government due to being the least worst option - if they changed tack (and leader) they might find themselves gaining votes from both centrists and the right.
Condi said:
El stovey said:
All the parties need a good shake up though. The current political landscape in the UK apparently isn’t working for a lot of people.
But what is the answer? With a 2 party system, the Lib Dems now a footnote in Westminster, and people who will vote Labour or Conservative because its what they've always done, where is that change going to come from, and how does it get enough traction to mount a real challenge to the incumbent leaders and ideas?
The conservative party rules seems to make it harder for members to have control, which means the party is to the left of the membership. The downside of giving the members little control is that it makes attracting members more difficult. Why join a party to campaign for policies / politicians you don't agree with? Maybe the shrinking / aging membership will force the party to change its ways to get fresh members through the door.
Vince Cable has proposed opening up the process for selecting the Lib Dems leader. I'm not sure how far that progressed.
If the voters don't like the options on offer, they need to stop being so lazy a join a party (either an existing party or a new party). Admittedly the old thread on joining the Conservative party didn't look to promising:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
As for complaining about the state of 2 party politics, I don't recall PH being behind the last referendum to move to a PR system.
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Well at least its made me rule out ever voting tory .... hopefully brexit has finally finished them as a few crumbs of the masters
table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class fking , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...
You sound a bit unhinged.table isn't a good enough reason to vote for the lying self serving ,crony capitlist enabling ,middle class f
king , don't give a st about free enterprise,small government or personal responsibility shower of tts ...You’re not going to vote for them ever again AND you want the party to be destroyed?
The conservatives next election might be very different to this lot. Like any party, they’re not set in stone but are fluid and constantly evolving.
The Labour Party is unrecognisable now to the one in 1996. Compare conservatives under Thatcher to that of today.
All the parties need a good shake up though. The current political landscape in the UK apparently isn’t working for a lot of people.
He sounds angry and is simply expressing his anger. I may not agree with his POV but I don't feel the need ( however intended) to suggest he sounds unhinged.
techiedave said:
No he doesn't
He sounds angry and is simply expressing his anger. I may not agree with his POV but I don't feel the need ( however intended) to suggest he sounds unhinged.
to be fair to el stovey (he will probably flame me for bringing up his occupation again He sounds angry and is simply expressing his anger. I may not agree with his POV but I don't feel the need ( however intended) to suggest he sounds unhinged.
) he is a airline pilot. i can well imagine that posts from powerstroke and people like myself would come across as slightly unhinged to any airline pilot as every one i have met, and i have met a few, are calmness personified in most situations.i can remember watching a captain and first officer having a serious disagreement sat on the tarmac at kai tak ,it was surreal. no raised voices or angry expressions ,just a calmly executed argument that had all the menace of a college lecture. given the job i think that type of persona is a good thing and it brings a bit of balance on here at times ,ymmv
wc98 said:
techiedave said:
No he doesn't
He sounds angry and is simply expressing his anger. I may not agree with his POV but I don't feel the need ( however intended) to suggest he sounds unhinged.
to be fair to el stovey (he will probably flame me for bringing up his occupation again He sounds angry and is simply expressing his anger. I may not agree with his POV but I don't feel the need ( however intended) to suggest he sounds unhinged.
) he is a airline pilot. i can well imagine that posts from powerstroke and people like myself would come across as slightly unhinged to any airline pilot as every one i have met, and i have met a few, are calmness personified in most situations.i can remember watching a captain and first officer having a serious disagreement sat on the tarmac at kai tak ,it was surreal. no raised voices or angry expressions ,just a calmly executed argument that had all the menace of a college lecture. given the job i think that type of persona is a good thing and it brings a bit of balance on here at times ,ymmv
amgmcqueen said:
They're history aren't they?
After what we've witnessed these last 3 years, how could anyone seriously go to the ballot box and put a cross next to either a Tory or Labour candidate?!
Agreed. After what we've witnessed these last 3 years, how could anyone seriously go to the ballot box and put a cross next to either a Tory or Labour candidate?!
A lot of people are venting and stating they will never vote Tory again. May has done too much damage and her leaving is still not enough to get my vote back.
amgmcqueen said:
They're history aren't they?
After what we've witnessed these last 3 years, how could anyone seriously go to the ballot box and put a cross next to either a Tory or Labour candidate?!
There is a thread on here which pretty much says a quarter of PH’ers would still vote for them. After what we've witnessed these last 3 years, how could anyone seriously go to the ballot box and put a cross next to either a Tory or Labour candidate?!
They won’t lose many voters when it comes to it IMO.
chris watton said:
I did call it years ago, I knew they would never allow for Brexit, and here we are.
Looks like we'll have a Venezuelan type government after the next GE, well done 'Brexit Means Brexit' May.
Down the rabbit hole we go...
I thought the same... though Comrade Corbyn cannot believe his luck as things get more desperate by the minute. Looks like we'll have a Venezuelan type government after the next GE, well done 'Brexit Means Brexit' May.
Down the rabbit hole we go...
May's time is up, and her asking him for help (he will refuse, inducing an election) is the beginning of the end...
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