Boris Johnson- Prime Minister
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Sporky said:
El stovey said:
Supreme Court has just started. Will they be brave heroes standing up for the people or traitors.
Surely that's down to whether they come up with the answer you want, and how emotionally invested you are in that desire. Their job is to decide how the law reflects on the question, not to be heroes or villains to any particular section of society.
ClaphamGT3 said:
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
Probably because it would be appalling PR to slag off your hosts because of protesters there for you, however badly or even deliberately managed. I think he was advised correctly, after the point at which they realised it was a setup, I agree they could've seen it coming sooner if they'd sent someone capable of predicting it.ClaphamGT3 said:
IforB said:
What we can infer from this nonsense over the press conference is that Johnson simply can't take being confronted by the public.
He simply ran away.
Our Prime Minister ran away from a small bunch of middle-aged people because they were a bit noisy. He didn't go over and have a chat. He didn't even try to hold the press conference and then give up if the noise was too bad. He just gave up and hid.
He could have turned a negative into a positive by showing he was the sort of bloke who will face up to challenges and listen to people. He could have shown some basic grit and gumption by showing that he was a man willing to talk to those that oppose his views, but no. He simply ran.
I may have even gained some grudging respect for him for facing up to the protesters and pretending to take their point of views into account, but he didn't do it, he ran and hid.
The UK deserves better than to have a coward in charge of it. A man who hides from the scrutiny of Parliament and anyone who might disagree with him.
Spineless.
Precisely this. It also gives further question to what sort of amateurs he’s got running his private office. This isn’t the first PR lash-up he’s stumbled into.He simply ran away.
Our Prime Minister ran away from a small bunch of middle-aged people because they were a bit noisy. He didn't go over and have a chat. He didn't even try to hold the press conference and then give up if the noise was too bad. He just gave up and hid.
He could have turned a negative into a positive by showing he was the sort of bloke who will face up to challenges and listen to people. He could have shown some basic grit and gumption by showing that he was a man willing to talk to those that oppose his views, but no. He simply ran.
I may have even gained some grudging respect for him for facing up to the protesters and pretending to take their point of views into account, but he didn't do it, he ran and hid.
The UK deserves better than to have a coward in charge of it. A man who hides from the scrutiny of Parliament and anyone who might disagree with him.
Spineless.
Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
Only those who are desperate to protect the image of Leave and Boris refuse to deviate from their dogmatic approach and will happily grasp at the conspiracy theory presented that it was a 'stitch up'. A confident Leader, one who truly believes in what he / she is doing, who has no fear of being caught in a lie, would have confronted the Protesters.
It's a shame, I think Boris could have come away with some Brownie points but instead came away as the Incredible Sulk.
ClaphamGT3 said:
Precisely this. It also gives further question to what sort of amateurs he’s got running his private office. This isn’t the first PR lash-up he’s stumbled into.
Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
We don't know that his PO had not done exactly what you suggest, and gave Johnson advice not to go ahead. Every thing else is pure speculation from all parties.Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
T-195 said:
Troubleatmill said:
Regardless of what side of the debate you are on.
Can anyone really not see anything wrong with having a press conference with the leader of the host nation and a visiting nation with protestors sporting megaphones just 30 feet away?
It’s a stitch up good and proper.
Yes, mean people with their nasty words.Can anyone really not see anything wrong with having a press conference with the leader of the host nation and a visiting nation with protestors sporting megaphones just 30 feet away?
It’s a stitch up good and proper.
Our PM is a joke, not sure how that is a stitch up?
Henryhall52 said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Precisely this. It also gives further question to what sort of amateurs he’s got running his private office. This isn’t the first PR lash-up he’s stumbled into.
Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
We don't know that his PO had not done exactly what you suggest, and gave Johnson advice not to go ahead. Every thing else is pure speculation from all parties.Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
No competent comms professional would ever advise any principal to leave a lectern empty in those circumstances
Henryhall52 said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Precisely this. It also gives further question to what sort of amateurs he’s got running his private office. This isn’t the first PR lash-up he’s stumbled into.
Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
We don't know that his PO had not done exactly what you suggest, and gave Johnson advice not to go ahead. Every thing else is pure speculation from all parties.Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
This is down to Johnson not the Press Office.
Of course they may have said "we advise not to do it" but the decision to follow the advice is Johnson's.
He is the one responsible for the farce of being seen to run away from protestors. He is the one that refused to engage.
He is the one who ran away.
Coolbanana said:
Only those who are desperate to protect the image of Leave and Boris refuse to deviate from their dogmatic approach and will happily grasp at the conspiracy theory presented that it was a 'stitch up'. A confident Leader, one who truly believes in what he / she is doing, who has no fear of being caught in a lie, would have confronted the Protesters.
Really I must have missed the joint press conferences with Chinese leaders with "Free Tibet" or "democracy in HK" protestors placed ten metres away shouting at them.
A press conference is just that, where two leaders can respond to media questions whether placed inside or outside. You might be able to hear protestors in the far distance but to place them just in front of the podium is a "stich up" pure and simple and Boris was wise not to play their childish games
ClaphamGT3 said:
Henryhall52 said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Precisely this. It also gives further question to what sort of amateurs he’s got running his private office. This isn’t the first PR lash-up he’s stumbled into.
Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
We don't know that his PO had not done exactly what you suggest, and gave Johnson advice not to go ahead. Every thing else is pure speculation from all parties.Why hadn’t the PO sent an advance party to recce the itinerary, spot any difficult situations and manage them away beforehand instead of arguing with the host on the day?
Accepting the press conference would happen in earshot of the protesters, why wasn’t his director of commas advising him to go ahead and then present it as bad management by the Luxembourg officials if he did get drowned out?
It really does seem like his PO are massively struggling
No competent comms professional would ever advise any principal to leave a lectern empty in those circumstances
jsf said:
Mrr T said:
Is it really that simple? No deal will mean no deal on S1 system. I assume residency does not give you rights to health care. I assume citizenship will but I assume that will require a language test.
In Spain there is an additional problem. Spain is one of the few countries which does not allow dual citizenship. So you have to give up your UK citizenship making return difficult.
The Spanish government has already stated in March this year that the reciprocal health care system between the UK and Spain will continue when Brexit occurs.In Spain there is an additional problem. Spain is one of the few countries which does not allow dual citizenship. So you have to give up your UK citizenship making return difficult.
Spain wants the Brits to stay, their health care system benefits from the UK paying for it.
IforB said:
Advisers advise. Ministers decide.
This is down to Johnson not the Press Office.
Of course they may have said "we advise not to do it" but the decision to follow the advice is Johnson's.
He is the one responsible for the farce of being seen to run away from protestors. He is the one that refused to engage.
He is the one who ran away.
Indeed, it was a missed opportunity to show some guts and Leadership and turn the situation to his advantage - if they really did turn out to try and drown him out, he would have been able to walk away from awkward questions and blame Remainers who could not control themselves and behave in a dignified fashion. Score one for his Team. Bloody unruly Remainers preventing a Press Conference at such an important stage. This is down to Johnson not the Press Office.
Of course they may have said "we advise not to do it" but the decision to follow the advice is Johnson's.
He is the one responsible for the farce of being seen to run away from protestors. He is the one that refused to engage.
He is the one who ran away.
If they quietened, he could have held the Press Conference as intended. If they were a little boisterous but not too bad, he could have just continued doing what he always does, bluster and avoid. Maybe inject a bit of humour to deflect.
The only logical reason for him deciding not to proceed was cowardice in the moment or just being unable to keep the bluster up in that environment in the face of his obvious lies with regards to seeking a Deal. His strategy is obviously to avoid direct criticism from the Public where possible.
El stovey said:
Get with the programme traitor !That’s EXACTLY what they set up to happen by deliberately deploying those scary looking middle aged folk outside some gates because they are cross at Brexiteers for causing Luxembourg to go bankrupt.
JagLover said:
Really
I must have missed the joint press conferences with Chinese leaders with "Free Tibet" or "democracy in HK" protestors placed ten metres away shouting at them.
A press conference is just that, where two leaders can respond to media questions whether placed inside or outside. You might be able to hear protestors in the far distance but to place them just in front of the podium is a "stich up" pure and simple and Boris was wise not to play their childish games
Are you really comparing a Communist Dictatorship and their noble practices to how a UK Democratic Leader ought to deal with challenges? I must have missed the joint press conferences with Chinese leaders with "Free Tibet" or "democracy in HK" protestors placed ten metres away shouting at them.
A press conference is just that, where two leaders can respond to media questions whether placed inside or outside. You might be able to hear protestors in the far distance but to place them just in front of the podium is a "stich up" pure and simple and Boris was wise not to play their childish games
ClaphamGT3 said:
We don’t but, on the evidence of how the day panned out, it doesn’t look likely.
No competent comms professional would ever advise any principal to leave a lectern empty in those circumstances
Wasn't it just the week before when the BBC managed to train a microphone on protestors during Boris' press conference? How did that work out?No competent comms professional would ever advise any principal to leave a lectern empty in those circumstances
Do you think the PO went "Yeah, let's do that again, it made for great TV"?
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