How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
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olimain said:
Also what does “No Deal” mean exactly? There seem to be various flavours. Has anyone said they’re “scared” of a second referendum?
I think it’s virtually guaranteed a 2nd ref to include a remain option won’t happen but it’s certainly not something I’d expect many people are actually scared of.
No deal means that all the agreements that we currently have as an EU member will no longer exist.I think it’s virtually guaranteed a 2nd ref to include a remain option won’t happen but it’s certainly not something I’d expect many people are actually scared of.
don'tbesilly said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Guy Verhofstadt has already stated that won't happen, do keep up.
Project fear. They absolutely would if it was a realistic option.https://www.ft.com/content/2b47aa32-c629-11e7-b2bb...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....
We can stay on the same terms no problem.
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Guy Verhofstadt has already stated that won't happen, do keep up.
Project fear. They absolutely would if it was a realistic option.https://www.ft.com/content/2b47aa32-c629-11e7-b2bb...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....
We can stay on the same terms no problem.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
don'tbesilly said:
Oh, you've just posted the same thing again. It can and will be an option. It's as if you don't want it to be true.Would you still be in favour of a referendum discussed earlier where one option is to remain on the same terms? If not why not?
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh, you've just posted the same thing again. It can and will be an option. It's as if you don't want it to be true.Would you still be in favour of a referendum discussed earlier where one option is to remain on the same terms? If not why not?
Trolleys Thank You said:
Errr, it means no deal? Or Are you openly admitting that people voted leave for DIFFERENT reasons?
Of course people voted leave for different reasons. People voted remain for different reasons too. Likewise in just about every vote in history people will have had different reasons for voting. So, no deal. Do you mean no trade deal, no deal on anything at all (eg planes not flying, UK citizens kicked out of Spain) or something else?
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Edited by olimain on Wednesday 10th October 19:11
Allanv said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh, you've just posted the same thing again. It can and will be an option. It's as if you don't want it to be true.Would you still be in favour of a referendum discussed earlier where one option is to remain on the same terms? If not why not?
olimain said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
Errr, it means no deal? Or Are you openly admitting that people voted leave for DIFFERENT reasons?
Of course people voted leave for different reasons. People votes remain for different reasons too. Likewise in just about every vote in history people will have had different reasons for voting. So, no deal. Do you mean no trade deal, no deal on anything at all (eg planes not flying, UK citizens kicked out of Spain) or something else?
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh, you've just posted the same thing again. It can and will be an option. It's as if you don't want it to be true.Would you still be in favour of a referendum discussed earlier where one option is to remain on the same terms? If not why not?
You state categorically that remaining as a member of the EU as was in June 2016 will be an option and will be the case, when the evidence by the EU's direction of travel since June 2016 suggests that wouldn't/couldn't be the case at all.
The option of remaining in the EU as a member as of June 2016, won't be an option, so voting on something that won't happen is irrelevant.
Trolleys Thank You said:
citizensm1th said:
B'stard Child said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
It's the people who insist on quoting all every time they post that clog up the thread.
I agree 
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Allanv said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh, you've just posted the same thing again. It can and will be an option. It's as if you don't want it to be true.Would you still be in favour of a referendum discussed earlier where one option is to remain on the same terms? If not why not?
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don'tbesilly said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
Allanv said:
Trolleys Thank You said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh, you've just posted the same thing again. It can and will be an option. It's as if you don't want it to be true.Would you still be in favour of a referendum discussed earlier where one option is to remain on the same terms? If not why not?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-articl...
Could be b
ks like copter and the the trolley dolly but hey I get to have a go at a link.Edited by Allanv on Wednesday 10th October 19:25
If it were possible to spell out these scenarios, e.g.:
We’ve taken the public’s instruction from 2016 and you now decide via a referendum:
-Here is the deal in detail we have negotiated and what it means for you
-Here is in detail what “no deal” means (hopefully the mutually beneficial basics such as planes/security cooperation/current residents) and what it means for you
Then I would think it sensible to ask the public in a 2nd ref. But in reality it isn’t - there’s so many variables, most of which we have no control of. Even “No Deal” requires third parties to agree what no deal actually means.
We’ve taken the public’s instruction from 2016 and you now decide via a referendum:
-Here is the deal in detail we have negotiated and what it means for you
-Here is in detail what “no deal” means (hopefully the mutually beneficial basics such as planes/security cooperation/current residents) and what it means for you
Then I would think it sensible to ask the public in a 2nd ref. But in reality it isn’t - there’s so many variables, most of which we have no control of. Even “No Deal” requires third parties to agree what no deal actually means.
don'tbesilly said:
I didn't post the same thing, I've never posted that link before.
You state categorically that remaining as a member of the EU as was in June 2016 will be an option and will be the case, when the evidence by the EU's direction of travel since June 2016 suggests that wouldn't/couldn't be the case at all.
The option of remaining in the EU as a member as of June 2016, won't be an option, so voting on something that won't happen is irrelevant.
That wasn't the question though was it? If it was an option would you still support a 2nd referendum? Or will you only support a 2nd ref if one of the options is worse than the status quo?You state categorically that remaining as a member of the EU as was in June 2016 will be an option and will be the case, when the evidence by the EU's direction of travel since June 2016 suggests that wouldn't/couldn't be the case at all.
The option of remaining in the EU as a member as of June 2016, won't be an option, so voting on something that won't happen is irrelevant.
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