How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)
Discussion
SpeckledJim said:
Go one level deeper:
Why do the USA impose the tariffs?
Because the EU and USA weren't able to agree an FTA.
Because the French don't like English language TV shows. And assorted other stupidness from the 28 hagglers on the EU bus.
You absolve the USA totally for not reaching a FTA with the EU?Why do the USA impose the tariffs?
Because the EU and USA weren't able to agree an FTA.
Because the French don't like English language TV shows. And assorted other stupidness from the 28 hagglers on the EU bus.
Sway said:
toppstuff said:
I fear you will be eating your words when the UK tries get an FTA with the US. We'll be bent over and given a spanking - I suspect some of our industries will be thrown under the bus and decimated by US imports in exchange for getting an FTA with our "special friends".
Why do you feel that this would occur under a FTA with the US, but that it hasn't occurred under a trade deal with "The largest trading bloc in the world"? We will have the same problem. I am just speculating that if we want an FTA with the US we may have to throw some of our communities under the bus to get one.
toppstuff said:
Sway said:
toppstuff said:
I fear you will be eating your words when the UK tries get an FTA with the US. We'll be bent over and given a spanking - I suspect some of our industries will be thrown under the bus and decimated by US imports in exchange for getting an FTA with our "special friends".
Why do you feel that this would occur under a FTA with the US, but that it hasn't occurred under a trade deal with "The largest trading bloc in the world"? We will have the same problem. I am just speculating that if we want an FTA with the US we may have to throw some of our communities under the bus to get one.
Vaud said:
Sway said:
- Remove WEEE administration burdens and charges.
All that's needed is easy availability of recycling for electricals.
It's just unnecessary and over bureaucratic legislation that adds little.
PurpleMoonlight said:
SpeckledJim said:
Go one level deeper:
Why do the USA impose the tariffs?
Because the EU and USA weren't able to agree an FTA.
Because the French don't like English language TV shows. And assorted other stupidness from the 28 hagglers on the EU bus.
You absolve the USA totally for not reaching a FTA with the EU?Why do the USA impose the tariffs?
Because the EU and USA weren't able to agree an FTA.
Because the French don't like English language TV shows. And assorted other stupidness from the 28 hagglers on the EU bus.
EU + USA = no FTA. They are, for reasons, incompatible.
UK in the EU = no opportunity for the UK to try for a deal with the USA
UK outside EU = potential deal with the USA.
Slice it whichever way you like, being in the EU prevents us getting a deal with the USA. Maybe once outside the EU there will be something else that prevents it.
Or maybe not, and the free trade that Remainers (and I) love with the EU will be possible with the much richer, and more Anglophile, Americans.
Sway said:
toppstuff said:
What is your top 10 of the rules you would want to change?
My top 6 (in no particular order,and they're quite enough to be getting on with):- Replace CAP with an effective countryside management (including woodland, health land and wetlands) strategy and where necessary subsidy scheme.
- Remove WEEE administration burdens and charges.
- Adjust our inward tariff regime to align closer to our needs as consumers and industry.
- Develop a skills and needs based immigration policy applied to nationals from everywhere.
- Apply stimulus reductions in Corp Tax and VAT.
- Develop and implement a customs processing system and processes that permit all goods shipments to have AEO principles applied to them.
And of course the really important thing is not what rules we want, it's who we want those rules made by and whether we can vote them out.
SpeckledJim said:
Doesn't matter, does it.
EU + USA = no FTA. They are, for reasons, incompatible.
UK in the EU = no opportunity for the UK to try for a deal with the USA
UK outside EU = potential deal with the USA.
Slice it whichever way you like, being in the EU prevents us getting a deal with the USA. Maybe once outside the EU there will be something else that prevents it.
Or maybe not, and the free trade that Remainers (and I) love with the EU will be possible with the much richer, and more Anglophile, Americans.
It rather does when you claim it is the EU that is forcing tariffs on your exports to the USA.EU + USA = no FTA. They are, for reasons, incompatible.
UK in the EU = no opportunity for the UK to try for a deal with the USA
UK outside EU = potential deal with the USA.
Slice it whichever way you like, being in the EU prevents us getting a deal with the USA. Maybe once outside the EU there will be something else that prevents it.
Or maybe not, and the free trade that Remainers (and I) love with the EU will be possible with the much richer, and more Anglophile, Americans.
It is sad that some people just blame the EU for everything they are aggrieved about.
PurpleMoonlight said:
SpeckledJim said:
Doesn't matter, does it.
EU + USA = no FTA. They are, for reasons, incompatible.
UK in the EU = no opportunity for the UK to try for a deal with the USA
UK outside EU = potential deal with the USA.
Slice it whichever way you like, being in the EU prevents us getting a deal with the USA. Maybe once outside the EU there will be something else that prevents it.
Or maybe not, and the free trade that Remainers (and I) love with the EU will be possible with the much richer, and more Anglophile, Americans.
It rather does when you claim it is the EU that is forcing tariffs on your exports to the USA.EU + USA = no FTA. They are, for reasons, incompatible.
UK in the EU = no opportunity for the UK to try for a deal with the USA
UK outside EU = potential deal with the USA.
Slice it whichever way you like, being in the EU prevents us getting a deal with the USA. Maybe once outside the EU there will be something else that prevents it.
Or maybe not, and the free trade that Remainers (and I) love with the EU will be possible with the much richer, and more Anglophile, Americans.
It is sad that some people just blame the EU for everything they are aggrieved about.
While any country is in the EU, it can't have an FTA with the USA.
Any country outside the EU may have the chance to establish free trade with the USA.
QED - the EU (currently) prevents free trade with the USA.
Make a list of things a country MUST BE in order to obtain free trade with the USA. 'Outside the EU' is one of the requirements
That's not my perception or an opinion or a gut feeling or a prejudice. It's a fact.
You're free to minimise it in importance, but denying it makes you look silly.
alfie2244 said:
She made a couple of good points 
Camoradi said:
alfie2244 said:
She made a couple of good points 
Greg66 said:
Vaud said:
Sway said:
- Remove WEEE administration burdens and charges.
A good friend runs a decent office supplies company. Selling B2B, to firms with waste management. He has never, once, had a customer request he dispose of/recycle electricals he's supplied.
Yet he has a couple of grand membership fee every year, as well as paperwork to complete to show no one has wanted it done.
It's an indicator of some of the small, but additive drags on SMEs and the subsequent effects more widely.
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