Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Sway said:
No, your example of CE marking doesn't remain valid - CE testing (unlike CCC when first introduced, now that was a REAL f
kING PAIN...) doesn't have to be done within the EEA.
We still self certify and CE Mark our products.
The OP's post specifically calls out customs.
There hasn't been a single change in the UK/EU trading relationship that would cause a legitimately justifiable month delay for moving goods...
There is ZERO commitment to maintain that.kING PAIN...) doesn't have to be done within the EEA.We still self certify and CE Mark our products.
The OP's post specifically calls out customs.
There hasn't been a single change in the UK/EU trading relationship that would cause a legitimately justifiable month delay for moving goods...
But you know that already.
"No to being rule takers" See Frost for details.
M.
Ivan stewart said:
blueg33 said:
We now have delays in our factory production as a result of Brexit. Panel make up has to be sent to Ireland for fire testing. Paperwork was all spot on but there are delays in processing at customs. As a result we have missed our lab slot despite allowing 4 weeks more than recommended.
Previously it was seamless
Previously !! Sent to Ireland for testing ? Previously it was seamless
Why can’t your company do it here !!
So much for the environment things going back and to and all that !!! Madness I tell thee !!!
Too many people without a clue of the way business is impacted but not preppy recognise that Brexit causes problems.
Mortarboard said:
Sway said:
No, your example of CE marking doesn't remain valid - CE testing (unlike CCC when first introduced, now that was a REAL fkING PAIN...) doesn't have to be done within the EEA.
We still self certify and CE Mark our products.
The OP's post specifically calls out customs.
There hasn't been a single change in the UK/EU trading relationship that would cause a legitimately justifiable month delay for moving goods...
There is ZERO commitment to maintain that.kING PAIN...) doesn't have to be done within the EEA.We still self certify and CE Mark our products.
The OP's post specifically calls out customs.
There hasn't been a single change in the UK/EU trading relationship that would cause a legitimately justifiable month delay for moving goods...
But you know that already.
"No to being rule takers" See Frost for details.
M.
Look, you got shown up as being massively ignorant on this topic. You're doubling down now conflating determination of national internal standards, and private manufacturers and their ability to certify their own products to various product markings. They're completely separate.
The only way the EU can prevent manufacturers in the UK from CE marking their goods is through direct economic sanctions...
blueg33 said:
Ivan stewart said:
blueg33 said:
We now have delays in our factory production as a result of Brexit. Panel make up has to be sent to Ireland for fire testing. Paperwork was all spot on but there are delays in processing at customs. As a result we have missed our lab slot despite allowing 4 weeks more than recommended.
Previously it was seamless
Previously !! Sent to Ireland for testing ? Previously it was seamless
Why can’t your company do it here !!
So much for the environment things going back and to and all that !!! Madness I tell thee !!!
Too many people without a clue of the way business is impacted but not preppy recognise that Brexit causes problems.
Even agrigoods such as the ones Sunbeam aren't being that effected, as per Sunbeam's post.
If you're genuinely experiencing those sorts of delays drop me a PM, I might be able to identify the problem.
Sway said:
Maintain what? The ability for a UK manufacturer to certify for CE? Just like they do for a load of other international standards?
Look, you got shown up as being massively ignorant on this topic. You're doubling down now conflating determination of national internal standards, and private manufacturers and their ability to certify their own products to various product markings. They're completely separate.
The only way the EU can prevent manufacturers in the UK from CE marking their goods is through direct economic sanctions...
Then by all means quote. Somebody, anybody. Who is showing commitment to CE marking standards.Look, you got shown up as being massively ignorant on this topic. You're doubling down now conflating determination of national internal standards, and private manufacturers and their ability to certify their own products to various product markings. They're completely separate.
The only way the EU can prevent manufacturers in the UK from CE marking their goods is through direct economic sanctions...
There's a bloody long list of senior movers, both during and post agreement, claiming that the UK won't be ruletakers.
Your ad homs don't phase me in the slightest.
"Publish and be damned", as the man said.
You yourself even admit to registering something or other in Ireland. Care to pony up to what you had to do there, that couldn't be done in the UK?
Or are you gearing up for another deflection?
M.
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Apologies for Facebook link. But just in case you wanted to deflect something specific
M.
Apologies for Facebook link. But just in case you wanted to deflect something specific
M.
Mortarboard said:
Sway said:
Maintain what? The ability for a UK manufacturer to certify for CE? Just like they do for a load of other international standards?
Look, you got shown up as being massively ignorant on this topic. You're doubling down now conflating determination of national internal standards, and private manufacturers and their ability to certify their own products to various product markings. They're completely separate.
The only way the EU can prevent manufacturers in the UK from CE marking their goods is through direct economic sanctions...
Then by all means quote. Somebody, anybody. Who is showing commitment to CE marking standards.Look, you got shown up as being massively ignorant on this topic. You're doubling down now conflating determination of national internal standards, and private manufacturers and their ability to certify their own products to various product markings. They're completely separate.
The only way the EU can prevent manufacturers in the UK from CE marking their goods is through direct economic sanctions...
There's a bloody long list of senior movers, both during and post agreement, claiming that the UK won't be ruletakers.
Your ad homs don't phase me in the slightest.
"Publish and be damned", as the man said.
You yourself even admit to registering something or other in Ireland. Care to pony up to what you had to do there, that couldn't be done in the UK?
Or are you gearing up for another deflection?
M.
You don't understand the process of CE marking chap. That's OK, but recognise that you're ignorant. Testing can be completed in the UK, and UK approval bodies are geared for issuing CoCs. There is no root for the EU to block that, and there is no agreement required to enable it.
Note, that very few product categories require notifiable body testing, the vast majority being audited via a sliding scale of control - and self certification of declaration of conformance being the norm.
We have licences in Ireland, as well as the UK, US, and a couple of other countries around the world. None of those are related to CE marking - we do more than manufacturing, within some of the most highly regulated industries on the planet.
Sway said:
Quote who?
Somebody, anybody. Who is showing commitment to CE marking standards.Otherwise, your opinion is precisely that
And while I haven't actually certified anything to CE personally, I have paid for it to be done. From scratch. So I'd be careful about who you say doesn't know stuff
M.
Sway said:
There is however zero reason why it should take four weeks longer than normal to transport.
Even agrigoods such as the ones Sunbeam aren't being that effected, as per Sunbeam's post.
If you're genuinely experiencing those sorts of delays drop me a PM, I might be able to identify the problem.
Thanks. It is a genuine issue. Not sure my logistics director is on PH. He is the one with the detail. Even agrigoods such as the ones Sunbeam aren't being that effected, as per Sunbeam's post.
If you're genuinely experiencing those sorts of delays drop me a PM, I might be able to identify the problem.
Mortarboard said:
Sway said:
Quote who?
Somebody, anybody. Who is showing commitment to CE marking standards.Otherwise, your opinion is precisely that
And while I haven't actually certified anything to CE personally, I have paid for it to be done. From scratch. So I'd be careful about who you say doesn't know stuff
M.
You surely cannot be thinking that the UK must continue to adopt CE standards in order for UK manufacturers to CE mark goods? In the same way we haven't adopted US standards but can, for example, certify for FCC marking.
Mortarboard said:
Who is showing commitment to CE marking standards.
Please could you explain what do you mean by showing commitment to CE marking standards? If a company, from anywhere in the world, wishes to sell a product into an EU member country, that company has to be able to prove, via the self certification, Technical Construction File, type route or via third party testing, that 'their' product complies with each of the relevant standards and directives, legislated by the EU at the time.
sunbeam alpine said:
It's very easy for you guys to criticise, but these things do happen.
Not really criticising, but it seems that in Brexit the strongly pro-EU crowd are showing exactly the same attitude they used to hate in the anti- lot.Prior to the Referendum, there were the Alf Garnets of the world: who'd blame Europe for all their woes: "Stubbed my toe today, bloody EU" - it was that caricature that Remain (rightly) attacked, the nutty end of the debate.
Since Brexit though, we have the same caricature emerging, except flipped on it's head. "Stubbed my toe today, bloody Brexit".
I'm sure blue33 is a far more rational guy in person, and is doing all he can to fix a frustrating problem for his business, but posts like that come across a lot like the ones that, prior to the referendum would be taken apart by people arguing for the pro-EU stance.
Sad to find most British products disappearing from the supermarket shelves in Germany and apparently across the rest of the EU. (everything else continues to be fully stocked though funnily enough)
Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
dan98 said:
Sad to find most British products disappearing from the supermarket shelves in Germany and apparently across the rest of the EU. (everything else continues to be fully stocked though funnily enough)
Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
France have recalled their ambassadors to the US and Australia over the sub snub. But not Britain.Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
Proves we are best mates
dan98 said:
Sad to find most British products disappearing from the supermarket shelves in Germany and apparently across the rest of the EU. (everything else continues to be fully stocked though funnily enough)
Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
I read about the imperial measurements thing.Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
I thought you could already sell in imperial you just had to do so alongside metric.
Maybe we could revert to shillings and pence whilst we're at it.
Not like there's anything else going on to worry about.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:dan98 said:
Sad to find most British products disappearing from the supermarket shelves in Germany and apparently across the rest of the EU. (everything else continues to be fully stocked though funnily enough)
Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
I read about the imperial measurements thing.Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.
However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.
I thought you could already sell in imperial you just had to do so alongside metric.
Maybe we could revert to shillings and pence whilst we're at it.
Not like there's anything else going on to worry about.
Crackie said:
Mortarboard said:
Who is showing commitment to CE marking standards.
Please could you explain what do you mean by showing commitment to CE marking standards? If a company, from anywhere in the world, wishes to sell a product into an EU member country, that company has to be able to prove, via the self certification, Technical Construction File, type route or via third party testing, that 'their' product complies with each of the relevant standards and directives, legislated by the EU at the time.
However, in the current climate, there is no commitment from the UK to maintain support at National Standards, and certainly no commitment to continue to maintain standards equivalent. Therefore, you'd not want a UK certified CE certification - as you have no idea how long it will be considered good for. When your product is being made from sub-parts that are no longer in an environment that is fully CE compliant, the risk of having a non-compliance shoots up massively. As time goes on, a UK CE certification will have less and less perceived value, and have higher "risk". For something as cheap in the overall scheme of things (in terms of product development), no business worth it's salt will "bother" with UK CE certification.
This is already happening. In other areas also, one of our customers stopped shipping EU bound products in 2018, due to the uncertainties around Brexit. Can they ship through the UK? Yes. But they don't.
But it seems there's plenty of folks who think their opinion can move mountains, and all these practical issues disappear. But reality doesn't give a fig about their opinions. There's been a few posters in this thread, showing issues that they themselves are having to deal with, and then the Brexit "fanboys" seem to be saying they don't know what they're doing, etc. etc. Until the UK accepts these issues and starts to deal with them, then the longer it will take to get onto doing business the "new" way. There's a significant number of folks under the impression that the only thing "holding the UK back" was membership of the EU. If they think the UK isn't going to have to make changes to adapt and take advantage of the opportunities of being outside the EU, they're living in lala land.
M.
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