How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[Deptford Draylons]

mx5nut said:

Everybody knew we were voting to give up our access to the single market.

It's more than a touch ironic you should say that, mainly because that is how so many on the Remain side framed the debate.
Rather than highlighting certain prominent Leave campaigners had confirmed outright we would leave membership of the SM, many on the Remain side were on TV day after day saying we'd no longer have access to the SM.
These lies were naturally ignored by people like yourself because they fit your agenda, yet here you are years later thinking you are making some amazing point with the quoted line.

Same old arguments from the same old dolts two years down the line. Must be big red bus rage Friday , no ?

[MaxSo]

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/10506932...

[StevieBee]

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

[Jockman]

StevieBee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

As does the Czech Republic. I think a timetable of events is established.

[Digga]

Jockman said:

StevieBee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

As does the Czech Republic. I think a timetable of events is established.

Even the Czech Republic is ranked 50th or so (depending on whose list you believe) so they are all small enough to be of little consequence. IMHO an economy the size of the UK would be a very poor fit in the EU, unless it were in the Euro. And I say that as someone who thinks both the EU and Euro are flawed concepts.

[Jockman]

Digga said:

Jockman said:

StevieBee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

As does the Czech Republic. I think a timetable of events is established.

Even the Czech Republic is ranked 50th or so (depending on whose list you believe) so they are all small enough to be of little consequence. IMHO an economy the size of the UK would be a very poor fit in the EU, unless it were in the Euro. And I say that as someone who thinks both the EU and Euro are flawed concepts.

Thanks mate. Not sure what question you answered there but you remain a person of interest

[Digga]

Jockman said:

Digga said:

Jockman said:

StevieBee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

As does the Czech Republic. I think a timetable of events is established.

Even the Czech Republic is ranked 50th or so GDP (depending on whose list you believe) so they are all small enough to be of little consequence. IMHO an economy the size of the UK would be a very poor fit in the EU, unless it were in the Euro. And I say that as someone who thinks both the EU and Euro are flawed concepts.

ETA GDP.

I meant the UK is too big not to be in the Euro if/when it theoretically ever re-joined the EU, all IMHO.

Thanks mate. Not sure what question you answered there but you remain a person of interest

[don'tbesilly]

Jockman said:

StevieBee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

As does the Czech Republic. I think a timetable of events is established.

Indeed, from Wiki:

The eurozone, officially called the euro area, is a monetary union of 19 of the 28 European Union (EU) member states which have adopted the euro (€) as their common currency and sole legal tender.
The monetary authority of the eurozone is the Eurosystem.

The other nine members of the European Union continue to use their own national currencies, although most of them are obliged to adopt the euro in the future.

More here from Wiki which outlines the timetable of events:


The enlargement of the eurozone is an ongoing process within the European Union (EU).

All member states of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which negotiated opt-outs from the provisions, are obliged to adopt the euro as their sole currency once they meet the criteria, which include: complying with the debt and deficit criteria outlined by the Stability and Growth Pact, keeping inflation and long-term governmental interest rates below certain reference values, stabilising their currency's exchange rate versus the euro by participating in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II), and ensuring that their national laws comply with the ECB statute, ESCB statute and articles 130+131 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. The obligation for EU member states to adopt the euro was first outlined by article 109.1j of the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, which became binding on all new member states by the terms of their treaties of accession.

[Jockman]

I think the original query was over entry requirements for EU membership.

I’m not sure if Bulgaria and Albania are that enamoured with their currency or not. Organised crime and the murder of journalists investigating the disappearance of EU funds is of more concern to me.

Edit - this is directed at Digga’s post.

Edited by Jockman on Friday 12th October 13:00

[Jockman]

don'tbesilly said:

Indeed, from Wiki:

The eurozone, officially called the euro area, is a monetary union of 19 of the 28 European Union (EU) member states which have adopted the euro (€) as their common currency and sole legal tender.
The monetary authority of the eurozone is the Eurosystem.

The other nine members of the European Union continue to use their own national currencies, although most of them are obliged to adopt the euro in the future.

More here from Wiki which outlines the timetable of events:


The enlargement of the eurozone is an ongoing process within the European Union (EU).

All member states of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which negotiated opt-outs from the provisions, are obliged to adopt the euro as their sole currency once they meet the criteria, which include: complying with the debt and deficit criteria outlined by the Stability and Growth Pact, keeping inflation and long-term governmental interest rates below certain reference values, stabilising their currency's exchange rate versus the euro by participating in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM II), and ensuring that their national laws comply with the ECB statute, ESCB statute and articles 130+131 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. The obligation for EU member states to adopt the euro was first outlined by article 109.1j of the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, which became binding on all new member states by the terms of their treaties of accession.

I was pretty surprised a few months ago at using the zloty in Poland. Seemed like a fantastic country. How is it still so dependent on Eu funds?

[Digga]

Jockman said:

I think the original query was over entry requirements for EU membership.

I’m not sure if Bulgaria and Albania are that enamoured with their currency or not. Organised crime and the murder of journalists investigating the disappearance of EU funds is of more concern to me.

Edit - this is directed at Digga’s post.

Edited by Jockman on Friday 12th October 13:00

They are not the only nation to experience difficulties keeping track of EU sweetners. Italy has history. The spending of grants/subsidies is, I believe, one of the main challenges in the audit of EU affairs.

As for the Euro, I'd guess the smaller Eastern states have a very long way to go before they are technically (fiscally etc.) eligible to join the Euro.

[crankedup]

PM stating that a ‘back stop’ agreement with the EU will not be open ended., further adding that would never be signed off in any agreement.

[Jazzy Jag]

So what happened to the Canada+++ that was supposed to be the answer to al the problems?

Is may just too hell bent on Chequers that she can't/won't drop it?

[PurpleMoonlight]

crankedup said:

PM stating that a ‘back stop’ agreement with the EU will not be open ended., further adding that would never be signed off in any agreement.

Another referendum in 40 years?

[Mrr T]

StevieBee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Cheers Mike.

A prerequisite of any country wanting to join the EU is adoption of the Euro

I don't think it is. Romania and Bulgaria are the most recent joining members and both still use the Lei and Lev as their official currency.

New members of the EU are committed to adopt the euro when their economy meets the euro acceptance criteria. At the moment the UK does not meet those criteria.

[Jonesy23]

Jazzy Jag said:

Is may just too hell bent on Chequers that she can't/won't drop it?

Yes. She is fking insane, and as usual utterly in thrall to her advisers.

[Mrr T]

Sway said:

Would have happened too, if there hadn't been a "check vote" where 84.2% of the electorate voted for parties making it very clear that the 'type of leave' desired included leaving the Single Market and Customs Union...

It was not a check vote it was a general election. All parties presented manifesto's containing many proposals. We have no idea which proposal influenced the voters to vote a specific way.

So your claim is rubbish.

[Earthdweller]

Meanwhile across the water it looks as though the minority Govt of the useful fool Varadkar is about to collapse in Ireland

A Govt minister resigned last night and the talk is of the other main party withdrawing support and a General Election before Xmas

If so it would spark a period of uncertainty and possibly a new Govt and direction in Ireland re the border

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

Sway said:

Would have happened too, if there hadn't been a "check vote" where 84.2% of the electorate voted for parties making it very clear that the 'type of leave' desired included leaving the Single Market and Customs Union...

It was not a check vote it was a general election. All parties presented manifesto's containing many proposals. We have no idea which proposal influenced the voters to vote a specific way.

So your claim is rubbish.

It was a GE specifically called early in order to clarify the mandate for our aims in the negotiation. Widely reported at the time the reason for the GE - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...

Every party that put forward staying in the SM&CU (or holding a second referendum) lost votes.

That's a pretty clear correlation.

[crankedup]

PurpleMoonlight said:

crankedup said:

PM stating that a ‘back stop’ agreement with the EU will not be open ended., further adding that would never be signed off in any agreement.

Another referendum in 40 years?