Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 7)
Discussion
El stovey said:
For some everything is still about brexit.
Extraordinary that when Boris is getting found out to be utterly dishonest and incompetent, the PHs reactionaries are actually trying to use brexit as some kind of motivation for criticising him and criticising “undemocratic remainers”
Explains how they can still support Boris though. It’s like some kind of religious zealotry.
To throw it back at them then the only reason they're supporting Boris over this and anything else is because he forced through Brexit. Extraordinary that when Boris is getting found out to be utterly dishonest and incompetent, the PHs reactionaries are actually trying to use brexit as some kind of motivation for criticising him and criticising “undemocratic remainers”
Explains how they can still support Boris though. It’s like some kind of religious zealotry.
El stovey said:
TDK-C60 said:
Garvin said:
Electro1980 said:
That’s some impressive mental gymnastics there. Make sure you don’t strain anything.
That's some coherent thought out debate there . . . then again, perhaps not. You obviously don't bother to strain anything!Okkkkaaay.
Extraordinary that when Boris is getting found out to be utterly dishonest and incompetent, the PHs reactionaries are actually trying to use brexit as some kind of motivation for criticising him and criticising “undemocratic remainers”
Explains how they can still support Boris though. It’s like some kind of religious zealotry.
dai1983 said:
To throw it back at them then the only reason they're supporting Boris over this and anything else is because he forced through Brexit.
This was no small achievement, he got the job done and this is a very good thing, although I was a remainer to be fair, Brexit was a s
t idea but it got stalled for too long.Cryssys said:
Despite having gone to ground it seems our esteemed and glorious leader is drawing up a list of those he intends to sacrifice in an increasingly desperate attempt to save his sorry arse.
He's called it "Operation Save Big Dog"
The arrogance and contempt continues unabated.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...
https://www.google.com/search?q=operation+save+big...
If that is at all true he needs locking upHe's called it "Operation Save Big Dog"
The arrogance and contempt continues unabated.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...
https://www.google.com/search?q=operation+save+big...
Maximus Decimus Meridius said:
I suspect you may be dealing with cultists here, El Stovey.
Cultists who attempt to provide a thin veil but are, in fact, transparent.
Cultists (I think I spelled that right).
I don’t think it’s a cult but I think those who have been defending him since day one have realised that they’ve now been sold a pup and been taken in for fools. They can’t bring themselves to admit that of course and so the only options are to disappear from these threads or double down in their support,Cultists who attempt to provide a thin veil but are, in fact, transparent.
Cultists (I think I spelled that right).
Boris is a dead man walking now. It’s plain to see and it’s only a matter of when he goes and whether Boris has any say in when that is so why the continuing febrile support is strange to see.
FiF said:
Garvin said:
Electro1980 said:
That’s some impressive mental gymnastics there. Make sure you don’t strain anything.
That's some coherent thought out debate there . . . then again, perhaps not. You obviously don't bother to strain anything!Then the usuals have to pile in with the typical spiteful one liners.
To support another comment it does seem, at least on here, that there are very few vigorous Boris supporters, and even those less vigorous supporters, possibly not even supporters but attempting to look at things in context and proportion are quiet, whether that's withholding support or just wait and see I don't know.
Personally Boris was never my choice but having no say in it you go with what presented, like it or lump it. When the discussion was only about the May 2020 bit of a do, when clearly on the same day beaches were rammed, annual business dinners were going ahead, and folks were meeting up then anyone's personal view is coloured by their general position on things. Parties when the country was in mourning for Phil, night before his funeral, then clearly the No10 and part of the civil service moral compass is broken and an unacceptable line crossed. The line that says anyone setting or enforcing regulations, or in a position that they're expected to set an example should not cross it. HM The Queen absolutely gets it, various individuals in government, civil service, and the police too, sadly don't.
Yet this morning the BBC showed footage of several people in a red wall constituency who still showed strong support for Boris. BBC didn't quite pick the obvious bloke with three teeth who happened to be exiting 'Spoons at 10:30am thankfully. However as mentioned earlier the key for Tories is to understand why they are where they are with a big majority, why they're also in the position they are today and figure out a way forward. Junking Boris at this precise point may or may not be the right thing, there is an element that nothing would be sufficient.
I suspect a fair amount of the wailing and gnashing of teeth across the UK as a whole is by those who, when they examine their diaries, we’re out and about having fun in May 2020 and not adhering to the very strict letter of the law.
As you say junking Boris at this precise moment may not be the right thing for the country as a whole and may just exacerbate a frying pan into the fire result. However, when the dander is up, logic and reason go out of the window and emotion takes over. However, it is clear that Boris has taken far too many liberties far too often and must go, it’s just a case of when and how.
valiant said:
Maximus Decimus Meridius said:
I suspect you may be dealing with cultists here, El Stovey.
Cultists who attempt to provide a thin veil but are, in fact, transparent.
Cultists (I think I spelled that right).
I don’t think it’s a cult but I think those who have been defending him since day one have realised that they’ve now been sold a pup and been taken in for fools. They can’t bring themselves to admit that of course and so the only options are to disappear from these threads or double down in their support,Cultists who attempt to provide a thin veil but are, in fact, transparent.
Cultists (I think I spelled that right).
Boris is a dead man walking now. It’s plain to see and it’s only a matter of when he goes and whether Boris has any say in when that is so why the continuing febrile support is strange to see.
The shame of it all could, understandably, be too much for them.
Others, it seems, do not know when or how to throw in the towel.
blueg33 said:
Saw Nadine Dorries being interviewed and defending him vigorously twisting and turning to try and make the lies and contradictions add up. I could see the interview was in her back garden a few yards from me, nearly went round to give her a slap!
Like Patel she’s another incompetent yesman/woman given the job due to loyalty and an ability to stoke people up. She knows she hasn’t got a hope in any replacement leaders higher positions of government.
The idiot tories who broke their own rules regarding the Covid lockdowns are indeed idiots.
What on Earth were they thinking when they did it?
The same goes for Starmer who was photographed doing exactly the same thing, and for some in the media who were caught partying in the middle of the lock downs.
However some of the worst hypocrites are the media, because for weeks they have been rightly moaning about the government breaking the Covid rules. Yet in the very same news program they were whining when Australia was and is sticking to `its' Covid rules and not admitting Djokovich to play tennis there.
As usual the media were harping on about the point that the idiot tories were having a party, whilst others, were not able to see their loved ones in a care home, or in hospital, and in danger of dying.
But when the Australian minister made the point that why should Djokovich be allowed in, when he has not, and did not want be vaccinated, whilst others who might have a far more important reason for getting into the country, were not being let in?
It is quite straight forward, It is `their' county and `their' rules. If someone who wants to get in to Australia does not want to be vaccinated, that is fine, but they cannot then expect to be let in just because of `who' they are.
The whole thing has degenerated into a mess, not helped by either side, not fully following the rules.
So we have a situation where the media are having a go at one government for NOT sticking to its own rules, Yet also having a go at another government for wanting TO stick to their own rules?
Utter hypocrisy on the part of the media.
What on Earth were they thinking when they did it?
The same goes for Starmer who was photographed doing exactly the same thing, and for some in the media who were caught partying in the middle of the lock downs.
However some of the worst hypocrites are the media, because for weeks they have been rightly moaning about the government breaking the Covid rules. Yet in the very same news program they were whining when Australia was and is sticking to `its' Covid rules and not admitting Djokovich to play tennis there.
As usual the media were harping on about the point that the idiot tories were having a party, whilst others, were not able to see their loved ones in a care home, or in hospital, and in danger of dying.
But when the Australian minister made the point that why should Djokovich be allowed in, when he has not, and did not want be vaccinated, whilst others who might have a far more important reason for getting into the country, were not being let in?
It is quite straight forward, It is `their' county and `their' rules. If someone who wants to get in to Australia does not want to be vaccinated, that is fine, but they cannot then expect to be let in just because of `who' they are.
The whole thing has degenerated into a mess, not helped by either side, not fully following the rules.
So we have a situation where the media are having a go at one government for NOT sticking to its own rules, Yet also having a go at another government for wanting TO stick to their own rules?
Utter hypocrisy on the part of the media.
I have put my thoughts down in detail many times. At some point you just get fed up. Seriously, the post was jumping around comparing Boris to some imagined arguments. I didn’t disagree with the conclusion, but the attempts to absolve Boris by jumping around with arguments about the Met police, how he’s either different or not and so on. It was tortured beyond reason.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The idiot tories who broke their own rules regarding the Covid lockdowns are indeed idiots.
What on Earth were they thinking when they did it?
The same goes for Starmer who was photographed doing exactly the same thing, and for some in the media who were caught partying in the middle of the lock downs.
However some of the worst hypocrites are the media, because for weeks they have been rightly moaning about the government breaking the Covid rules. Yet in the very same news program they were whining when Australia was and is sticking to `its' Covid rules and not admitting Djokovich to play tennis there.
As usual the media were harping on about the point that the idiot tories were having a party, whilst others, were not able to see their loved ones in a care home, or in hospital, and in danger of dying.
But when the Australian minister made the point that why should Djokovich be allowed in, when he has not, and did not want be vaccinated, whilst others who might have a far more important reason for getting into the country, were not being let in?
It is quite straight forward, It is `their' county and `their' rules. If someone who wants to get in to Australia does not want to be vaccinated, that is fine, but they cannot then expect to be let in just because of `who' they are.
The whole thing has degenerated into a mess, not helped by either side, not fully following the rules.
So we have a situation where the media are having a go at one government for NOT sticking to its own rules, Yet also having a go at another government for wanting TO stick to their own rules?
Utter hypocrisy on the part of the media.
I haven't seen much sympathy for the tennis player in the media? What on Earth were they thinking when they did it?
The same goes for Starmer who was photographed doing exactly the same thing, and for some in the media who were caught partying in the middle of the lock downs.
However some of the worst hypocrites are the media, because for weeks they have been rightly moaning about the government breaking the Covid rules. Yet in the very same news program they were whining when Australia was and is sticking to `its' Covid rules and not admitting Djokovich to play tennis there.
As usual the media were harping on about the point that the idiot tories were having a party, whilst others, were not able to see their loved ones in a care home, or in hospital, and in danger of dying.
But when the Australian minister made the point that why should Djokovich be allowed in, when he has not, and did not want be vaccinated, whilst others who might have a far more important reason for getting into the country, were not being let in?
It is quite straight forward, It is `their' county and `their' rules. If someone who wants to get in to Australia does not want to be vaccinated, that is fine, but they cannot then expect to be let in just because of `who' they are.
The whole thing has degenerated into a mess, not helped by either side, not fully following the rules.
So we have a situation where the media are having a go at one government for NOT sticking to its own rules, Yet also having a go at another government for wanting TO stick to their own rules?
Utter hypocrisy on the part of the media.
El stovey said:
blueg33 said:
Saw Nadine Dorries being interviewed and defending him vigorously twisting and turning to try and make the lies and contradictions add up. I could see the interview was in her back garden a few yards from me, nearly went round to give her a slap!
Like Patel she’s another
blueg33 said:
Saw Nadine Dorries being interviewed and defending him vigorously twisting and turning to try and make the lies and contradictions add up. I could see the interview was in her back garden a few yards from me, nearly went round to give her a slap!
You should have. And filmed it. And posted it here for all to enjoy.
biggbn said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The idiot tories who broke their own rules regarding the Covid lockdowns are indeed idiots.
What on Earth were they thinking when they did it?
The same goes for Starmer who was photographed doing exactly the same thing, and for some in the media who were caught partying in the middle of the lock downs.
However some of the worst hypocrites are the media, because for weeks they have been rightly moaning about the government breaking the Covid rules. Yet in the very same news program they were whining when Australia was and is sticking to `its' Covid rules and not admitting Djokovich to play tennis there.
As usual the media were harping on about the point that the idiot tories were having a party, whilst others, were not able to see their loved ones in a care home, or in hospital, and in danger of dying.
But when the Australian minister made the point that why should Djokovich be allowed in, when he has not, and did not want be vaccinated, whilst others who might have a far more important reason for getting into the country, were not being let in?
It is quite straight forward, It is `their' county and `their' rules. If someone who wants to get in to Australia does not want to be vaccinated, that is fine, but they cannot then expect to be let in just because of `who' they are.
The whole thing has degenerated into a mess, not helped by either side, not fully following the rules.
So we have a situation where the media are having a go at one government for NOT sticking to its own rules, Yet also having a go at another government for wanting TO stick to their own rules?
Utter hypocrisy on the part of the media.
I haven't seen much sympathy for the tennis player in the media? What on Earth were they thinking when they did it?
The same goes for Starmer who was photographed doing exactly the same thing, and for some in the media who were caught partying in the middle of the lock downs.
However some of the worst hypocrites are the media, because for weeks they have been rightly moaning about the government breaking the Covid rules. Yet in the very same news program they were whining when Australia was and is sticking to `its' Covid rules and not admitting Djokovich to play tennis there.
As usual the media were harping on about the point that the idiot tories were having a party, whilst others, were not able to see their loved ones in a care home, or in hospital, and in danger of dying.
But when the Australian minister made the point that why should Djokovich be allowed in, when he has not, and did not want be vaccinated, whilst others who might have a far more important reason for getting into the country, were not being let in?
It is quite straight forward, It is `their' county and `their' rules. If someone who wants to get in to Australia does not want to be vaccinated, that is fine, but they cannot then expect to be let in just because of `who' they are.
The whole thing has degenerated into a mess, not helped by either side, not fully following the rules.
So we have a situation where the media are having a go at one government for NOT sticking to its own rules, Yet also having a go at another government for wanting TO stick to their own rules?
Utter hypocrisy on the part of the media.
For those trying to claim the moral high ground on "being able to have a debate", how on earth does bringing brexit in help defend Boris' behaviours and leadership?
It is surely nothing more than deflection at best.
Are you really OK with his falsehoods - he has gone from one moment pretending not to know about the parties to the next minute apologising for being at them. As others have said, it is not about the parties themselves as much as the complete lack of integrity and truth twisting from someone in a position that demands judgement and leadership of a standard far higher than his abilities. He is just not trustworthy - and that applies as much to how he represents us and the UK on the global stage as it does to us as the electorate (some of whom put him in this position).
Roll on a more worthy replacement. Who can't get behind wanting at least a more honest replacement as a minimum upgrade?
It is surely nothing more than deflection at best.
Are you really OK with his falsehoods - he has gone from one moment pretending not to know about the parties to the next minute apologising for being at them. As others have said, it is not about the parties themselves as much as the complete lack of integrity and truth twisting from someone in a position that demands judgement and leadership of a standard far higher than his abilities. He is just not trustworthy - and that applies as much to how he represents us and the UK on the global stage as it does to us as the electorate (some of whom put him in this position).
Roll on a more worthy replacement. Who can't get behind wanting at least a more honest replacement as a minimum upgrade?
El stovey said:
You “attempting to provide context” lot are the worst
Spending years defending him whilst trying to make out you’re impartial and interested in proportion. Whilst trying to make little digs at us vocal critics of Boris from the sidelines.
At least us yay Boris/grrr Boris lot just come out with it rather than these wafer thin excuses and contortions to try and appear balanced.
I’m quite open that it think Boris has been a terrible leader and want him gone ASAP.
Hilarious. Alleging that anyone who doesn't lump into an extreme one end or t'other tribe but tries to figure out the always present shades of grey is automatically a dyed in the wool supporter for the tribe you personally don't like.Spending years defending him whilst trying to make out you’re impartial and interested in proportion. Whilst trying to make little digs at us vocal critics of Boris from the sidelines.
At least us yay Boris/grrr Boris lot just come out with it rather than these wafer thin excuses and contortions to try and appear balanced.
I’m quite open that it think Boris has been a terrible leader and want him gone ASAP.
You are a big part of today's problems.
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