Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
IforB said:
andymadmak said:
Oh dear. I have said several times that Patel should not be HS. You know this, so why are you suggesting that I am trying to deflect from Patel?
As for screaming in the corner, I'll leave that to you. You seem to have a real issue with being told things that you don't want to believe. Your suggestion that I am making stuff up is beyond bizarre, especially when the information surrounding Browns behaviour is available from multiple sources. Do yourself a favour and go read some of it. You'll look less like a frothing red fanboy if you do.
For the avoidance of any doubt (and to stop you pretending I am saying something that I am not) - Patel should not be HS.
So should Johnson still be PM for condoning her behaviour and ignoring the report? As for screaming in the corner, I'll leave that to you. You seem to have a real issue with being told things that you don't want to believe. Your suggestion that I am making stuff up is beyond bizarre, especially when the information surrounding Browns behaviour is available from multiple sources. Do yourself a favour and go read some of it. You'll look less like a frothing red fanboy if you do.
For the avoidance of any doubt (and to stop you pretending I am saying something that I am not) - Patel should not be HS.
Johnson might not have done what you wanted him to do, but that doesn't support what you're claiming does it.
He has also condoned her behaviour. By refusing to give her any kind of admonishment and by then asking all the clapping seals in the party to show their support for her, he has 100% condoned her behaviour.
Johnson is equally as guilty as she is in my mind. He has basically made it clear to all of us that bullying is OK, as long as the person doing it supports him.
That disgusts me and should disgust anyone of any political persuasion.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
don'tbesilly said:
Yet Johnson hasn't ignored the report
He quite clearly has, though not before attempting to influence the author in order to have it toned down.It was asked above whether this affects Boris' suitability to be PM. In my view it does, as he has hired someone with a history of bullying allegations. That person has since been responsible for multiple resignations of senior staff on the basis of bullying, one of whom sued the government and has subsequently had to be paid off. A report into the behaviour confirmed that it was s breach of the ministerial code. Boris' response has been to ignore the damage and the report and to stifle any further conversation over it, 'considers the matter now closed'.
If organisations allow bullying and the leadership fail to act on it, whilst at the same time paying out employment claims and receiving confirmatory reports that bullying is going on, what conclusion can you reach other than their approval?
That is not the kind of government I want leading us.
Let's not forget that Johnson defended Dominic Cummings when Dom blatantly broke the spirit of lockdown and his defence completely undermined confidence in Johnson ability to govern. As we all know, Cummings then went on to resign. The similarities between the two episodes are apparent to all but the blind.
Bullying?
From everything said it seems more like she lost her rag with people who constantly didn't do what they were meant to be doing and let them know.
If that sort of thing upsets you then don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land, or do what you are there to do.
Some of them should spend an evening in a kitchen, or try being an assistant coach for a team for a weekend, maybe go on some army training?
Maybe I have missed something? But I have been trying to see what she did that was real bullying, I think we have an issue where people getting reprimanded for not performing is now classed as bullying, which is a shame as it dilutes real bullying.
Some people just are not suited for working in high pressure workplaces.
Now, having said all that. I do think that some people just have no empathy and have a nasty way about them, and when they do all the above it comes across as someone who is just being really nasty. Patel strikes me as someone who can't really cope with the pressures that come with the job either, and is like some nut case on the edge constantly, so when she shouts it comes across in a very different way to someone that you work with and respect.
She is like the tory version of Thornberry, one of those women who smiles as she is being a complete and utter
. Neither are someone I would want to spend any time with, let alone work with them.
For me, people like that add nothing to what you are trying to achieve, in any workplace.
From everything said it seems more like she lost her rag with people who constantly didn't do what they were meant to be doing and let them know.
If that sort of thing upsets you then don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land, or do what you are there to do.
Some of them should spend an evening in a kitchen, or try being an assistant coach for a team for a weekend, maybe go on some army training?
Maybe I have missed something? But I have been trying to see what she did that was real bullying, I think we have an issue where people getting reprimanded for not performing is now classed as bullying, which is a shame as it dilutes real bullying.
Some people just are not suited for working in high pressure workplaces.
Now, having said all that. I do think that some people just have no empathy and have a nasty way about them, and when they do all the above it comes across as someone who is just being really nasty. Patel strikes me as someone who can't really cope with the pressures that come with the job either, and is like some nut case on the edge constantly, so when she shouts it comes across in a very different way to someone that you work with and respect.
She is like the tory version of Thornberry, one of those women who smiles as she is being a complete and utter
. Neither are someone I would want to spend any time with, let alone work with them.For me, people like that add nothing to what you are trying to achieve, in any workplace.
gizlaroc said:
Bullying?
From everything said it seems more like she lost her rag with people who constantly didn't do what they were meant to be doing and let them know.
If that sort of thing upsets you then don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land, or do what you are there to do.
Some of them should spend an evening in a kitchen, or try being an assistant coach for a team for a weekend, maybe go on some army training?
Maybe I have missed something? But I have been trying to see what she did that was real bullying, I think we have an issue where people getting reprimanded for not performing is now classed as bullying, which is a shame as it dilutes real bullying.
Some people just are not suited for working in high pressure workplaces.
Now, having said all that. I do think that some people just have no empathy and have a nasty way about them, and when they do all the above it comes across as someone who is just being really nasty. Patel strikes me as someone who can't really cope with the pressures that come with the job either, and is like some nut case on the edge constantly, so when she shouts it comes across in a very different way to someone that you work with and respect.
She is like the tory version of Thornberry, one of those women who smiles as she is being a complete and utter. Neither are someone I would want to spend any time with, let alone work with them.
For me, people like that add nothing to what you are trying to achieve, in any workplace.
I stopped reading your post after the first line because the official report says there was bullying. Johnson claimed the bullying was not intentional, so therefore he acknowledges there was bullying.From everything said it seems more like she lost her rag with people who constantly didn't do what they were meant to be doing and let them know.
If that sort of thing upsets you then don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land, or do what you are there to do.
Some of them should spend an evening in a kitchen, or try being an assistant coach for a team for a weekend, maybe go on some army training?
Maybe I have missed something? But I have been trying to see what she did that was real bullying, I think we have an issue where people getting reprimanded for not performing is now classed as bullying, which is a shame as it dilutes real bullying.
Some people just are not suited for working in high pressure workplaces.
Now, having said all that. I do think that some people just have no empathy and have a nasty way about them, and when they do all the above it comes across as someone who is just being really nasty. Patel strikes me as someone who can't really cope with the pressures that come with the job either, and is like some nut case on the edge constantly, so when she shouts it comes across in a very different way to someone that you work with and respect.
She is like the tory version of Thornberry, one of those women who smiles as she is being a complete and utter
. Neither are someone I would want to spend any time with, let alone work with them.For me, people like that add nothing to what you are trying to achieve, in any workplace.
Unless you can provide evidence that backs up your claims them you should remove your post.
Bullying in the workplace is completely unacceptable.
gizlaroc said:
Bullying?
From everything said it seems more like she lost her rag with people who constantly didn't do what they were meant to be doing and let them know.
If that sort of thing upsets you then don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land, or do what you are there to do.
Some of them should spend an evening in a kitchen, or try being an assistant coach for a team for a weekend, maybe go on some army training?
Maybe I have missed something? But I have been trying to see what she did that was real bullying, I think we have an issue where people getting reprimanded for not performing is now classed as bullying, which is a shame as it dilutes real bullying.
Some people just are not suited for working in high pressure workplaces.
Now, having said all that. I do think that some people just have no empathy and have a nasty way about them, and when they do all the above it comes across as someone who is just being really nasty. Patel strikes me as someone who can't really cope with the pressures that come with the job either, and is like some nut case on the edge constantly, so when she shouts it comes across in a very different way to someone that you work with and respect.
She is like the tory version of Thornberry, one of those women who smiles as she is being a complete and utter. Neither are someone I would want to spend any time with, let alone work with them.
For me, people like that add nothing to what you are trying to achieve, in any workplace.
I'm really struggling with the way you appear to be suggesting "don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land" to junior civil servants whilst apparently overlooking that someone who can't reign in their temper probably shouldn't be Home Secretary.From everything said it seems more like she lost her rag with people who constantly didn't do what they were meant to be doing and let them know.
If that sort of thing upsets you then don't get a job in one of the highest offices there is in the land, or do what you are there to do.
Some of them should spend an evening in a kitchen, or try being an assistant coach for a team for a weekend, maybe go on some army training?
Maybe I have missed something? But I have been trying to see what she did that was real bullying, I think we have an issue where people getting reprimanded for not performing is now classed as bullying, which is a shame as it dilutes real bullying.
Some people just are not suited for working in high pressure workplaces.
Now, having said all that. I do think that some people just have no empathy and have a nasty way about them, and when they do all the above it comes across as someone who is just being really nasty. Patel strikes me as someone who can't really cope with the pressures that come with the job either, and is like some nut case on the edge constantly, so when she shouts it comes across in a very different way to someone that you work with and respect.
She is like the tory version of Thornberry, one of those women who smiles as she is being a complete and utter
. Neither are someone I would want to spend any time with, let alone work with them.For me, people like that add nothing to what you are trying to achieve, in any workplace.
You own a gents clothes shop I believe.
Would you speak to your junior staff the way Patel is said to have spoken to hers and as the owner of the business do you think if you did that it's an equal relationship where they can respond back as candidly as they may want to?
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