Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[anonymous-user]

silentbrown said:

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.

Hooray. I'll be able to order a "pint" of beer in a pub again. Oh, wait...

https://newsthump.com/2021/09/17/boris-johnson-for...

A victory for common sense and this man's family I would think.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/people/daughte...

[silentbrown]

Tuna said:

I really hope you've not missed the fact that article is making a joke...

Sadly, it's not the only thing that's a joke at the moment.

[Jader1973]

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

That has got the be the saddest, most pathetic proposal ever.

What goes through their tiny minds that even makes them think that is a good idea? Is it really as simple as “Johnny foreigner told us to use them so it must be bad.”?

[skwdenyer]

paul0843 said:

Just been speaking to a friend of mine who was at the Southampton boat show.
Apparently now that we are outside of Europe,we can keep a boat in Europe without paying the vat.
Where he was looking at buying a £7-£800k boat,all of a sudden he is looking at £1m boats.
Must admit if your in that world it’s definitely a benefit,and the 1st one I have seen.
All the others constantly being quoted about self governance etc are just a load of boxxocks IMO.
Paul

I'm sure your friend, if well-off enough to look at a £1m boat, has done his homework. But quite how he is intending to buy a boat and not pay VAT on it I'd love to hear.

[230TE]

bhstewie said:

dan98 said:

Sad to find most British products disappearing from the supermarket shelves in Germany and apparently across the rest of the EU. (everything else continues to be fully stocked though funnily enough)
Germany imports from Britain overall in 'freefall' now according to Reuters.

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

I read about the imperial measurements thing.

I thought you could already sell in imperial you just had to do so alongside metric.

Maybe we could revert to shillings and pence whilst we're at it.

Not like there's anything else going on to worry about.

I know we're not supposed to mention cars in NP&E as it confuses some of the more prolific posters, but maybe the frothers on both sides need to take a look at their tyres (assuming they actually own a car). Width in millimetres, diameter in inches. That's not just for the British market...

[ElectricSoup]

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently. Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored. Nearly there. He's a Professor of Political Science and Law in the USA. But I expect a lot of you in here will have had enough of experts and prefer to go with their "feelings".

https://twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/14392084...

[Ahonen]

Jader1973 said:

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

That has got the be the saddest, most pathetic proposal ever.

What goes through their tiny minds that even makes them think that is a good idea? Is it really as simple as “Johnny foreigner told us to use them so it must be bad.”?

I thought this was a joke but it seems they are serious. This is appealing to a tiny number of elderly folks who, let's face it, are becoming fewer by the day. No one in their right mind would think this is good idea.

I'm 48 and was educated almost entirely in metric, for pity's sake, and I'm perfectly happy about that. The imperial system is only fit for measuring the weight of witches and ducks.

[andymadmak]

ElectricSoup said:

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently. Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored. Nearly there. He's a Professor of Political Science and Law in the USA. But I expect a lot of you in here will have had enough of experts and prefer to go with their "feelings".

https://twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/14392084...

This fella? http://fas-polisci.rutgers.edu/dkelemen/ He's quite a Europhile, and I'd question his impartiality. I cannot see his list, but if it's anything like the lists that get posted on here from time to time it will be mostly subjective, emotive nonsense mixed with one or two valid points.

Anyways, we've left. How about you get over your feelings of anger about that and move on?

[Unknown_User]

ElectricSoup said:

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently. Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored. Nearly there. He's a Professor of Political Science and Law in the USA. But I expect a lot of you in here will have had enough of experts and prefer to go with their "feelings".

https://twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/14392084...

Thanks for posting.

Did R. Daniel Kelemen include this little nugget in his findings?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617506/B...

[Vanden Saab]

andymadmak said:

ElectricSoup said:

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently. Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored. Nearly there. He's a Professor of Political Science and Law in the USA. But I expect a lot of you in here will have had enough of experts and prefer to go with their "feelings".

https://twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/14392084...

This fella? http://fas-polisci.rutgers.edu/dkelemen/ He's quite a Europhile, and I'd question his impartiality. I cannot see his list, but if it's anything like the lists that get posted on here from time to time it will be mostly subjective, emotive nonsense mixed with one or two valid points.

Anyways, we've left. How about you get over your feelings of anger about that and move on?

It will be like the jobs lost list when every job loss was attributed to Brexit. Iirc it included jobs lost in the beta max cassette industry...

[skwdenyer]

Ahonen said:

Jader1973 said:

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

That has got the be the saddest, most pathetic proposal ever.

What goes through their tiny minds that even makes them think that is a good idea? Is it really as simple as “Johnny foreigner told us to use them so it must be bad.”?

I thought this was a joke but it seems they are serious. This is appealing to a tiny number of elderly folks who, let's face it, are becoming fewer by the day. No one in their right mind would think this is good idea.

I'm 48 and was educated almost entirely in metric, for pity's sake, and I'm perfectly happy about that. The imperial system is only fit for measuring the weight of witches and ducks.

What you have to grasp is that the only solid part of the Tory vote right now is the over-65s. Every other age group is polling either strongly for Labour or evenly-tied.

Viewed through that lens, their policy choices make perfect sense

[Oilchange]

Interesting you mention an Americans feelings on Brexit.

Ask any American if they would vote to join an organisation like the EU with all its Commission and laws and stuff and they'd run a mile. Actually they'd run several and probably drop dead from exhaustion.

[Unknown_User]

skwdenyer said:

Ahonen said:

Jader1973 said:

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

That has got the be the saddest, most pathetic proposal ever.

What goes through their tiny minds that even makes them think that is a good idea? Is it really as simple as “Johnny foreigner told us to use them so it must be bad.”?

I thought this was a joke but it seems they are serious. This is appealing to a tiny number of elderly folks who, let's face it, are becoming fewer by the day. No one in their right mind would think this is good idea.

I'm 48 and was educated almost entirely in metric, for pity's sake, and I'm perfectly happy about that. The imperial system is only fit for measuring the weight of witches and ducks.

What you have to grasp is that the only solid part of the Tory vote right now is the over-65s. Every other age group is polling either strongly for Labour or evenly-tied.

Viewed through that lens, their policy choices make perfect sense

Even more so when we consider the UK began the switch 8 years before it joined the EU... but hey, don't tell the Brexit mob...!!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/world/europe/im...
https://ukma.org.uk/what-is-metric/uk-progress/uk-...

Bozza and his tory chums certainly know how to play their most devout followers....

[Ahonen]

Oilchange said:

Interesting you mention an Americans feelings on Brexit.

Ask any American if they would vote to join an organisation like the EU with all its Commission and laws and stuff and they'd run a mile. Actually they'd run several and probably drop dead from exhaustion.

Arguably they are already in one. A collection of states, each with their own local laws, with a flag containing one star for each of them...

[Crackie]

Unknown_User said:

ElectricSoup said:

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently. Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored. Nearly there. He's a Professor of Political Science and Law in the USA. But I expect a lot of you in here will have had enough of experts and prefer to go with their "feelings".

https://twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/14392084...

Thanks for posting.

Did R. Daniel Kelemen include this little nugget in his findings?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617506/B...

Don't know..........didn't stay long after finding out that the Prof uses TLE as one of his sources

[Oilchange]

Ahonen said:

Arguably they are already in one. A collection of states, each with their own local laws, with a flag containing one star for each of them...

Good point.

[Mortarboard]

Current VAT on home heating fuel is still 5% though, isn't it?



M.

[Crackie]

Ahonen said:

Jader1973 said:

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

That has got the be the saddest, most pathetic proposal ever.

What goes through their tiny minds that even makes them think that is a good idea? Is it really as simple as “Johnny foreigner told us to use them so it must be bad.”?

I thought this was a joke but it seems they are serious. This is appealing to a tiny number of elderly folks who, let's face it, are becoming fewer by the day. No one in their right mind would think this is good idea.

I'm 48 and was educated almost entirely in metric, for pity's sake, and I'm perfectly happy about that. The imperial system is only fit for measuring the weight of witches and ducks.

I'm a little older but not much......I was educated almost entirely in metric too. Metric system makes perfect sense and yet ask everyone on PH about their car's fuel consumption > 90% would be able tell you the MPG off the top of their head but haven't got the slightest clue about Litres/100Km without looking it up. Similarly they'll know their car's top speed, and the NSL and the thresholds for speeding conviction in mph not km/h. A few will tell you their weight in KG but many still tell you in stones and tell you their height in feet and inches and their shoe size using an imperial measurement too.

Ask a mate if they fancy coming out for a couple.............. pints or litres?? Be honest.

[Tuna]

Ahonen said:

Oilchange said:

Interesting you mention an Americans feelings on Brexit.

Ask any American if they would vote to join an organisation like the EU with all its Commission and laws and stuff and they'd run a mile. Actually they'd run several and probably drop dead from exhaustion.

Arguably they are already in one. A collection of states, each with their own local laws, with a flag containing one star for each of them...

The notable difference is the Federal State has central control over taxation, and the individual members have maintained the right to bear arms - which is specifically about the right to oppose "the Feds" (theoretical, of course, but there's a reason American's cling to their guns). The relationship between individual states in the US and the USA as a whole is an entire world away from the relationship between the EU members and the EC.

Of course, there are people who see the superficial resemblance, and ask silly questions like "Why can't we be like that"

[crankedup5]

Unknown_User said:

skwdenyer said:

Ahonen said:

Jader1973 said:

dan98 said:

However much more relevantly, Daily Mail Brexit voters wetting themselves with excitement over being able to use imperial measurements again, thereby ensuring future incompatibility with the rest of Europe.
All going swimmingly.

That has got the be the saddest, most pathetic proposal ever.

What goes through their tiny minds that even makes them think that is a good idea? Is it really as simple as “Johnny foreigner told us to use them so it must be bad.”?

I thought this was a joke but it seems they are serious. This is appealing to a tiny number of elderly folks who, let's face it, are becoming fewer by the day. No one in their right mind would think this is good idea.

I'm 48 and was educated almost entirely in metric, for pity's sake, and I'm perfectly happy about that. The imperial system is only fit for measuring the weight of witches and ducks.

What you have to grasp is that the only solid part of the Tory vote right now is the over-65s. Every other age group is polling either strongly for Labour or evenly-tied.

Viewed through that lens, their policy choices make perfect sense

Even more so when we consider the UK began the switch 8 years before it joined the EU... but hey, don't tell the Brexit mob...!!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/world/europe/im...
https://ukma.org.uk/what-is-metric/uk-progress/uk-...

Bozza and his tory chums certainly know how to play their most devout followers....

Whereas the political opponents of the Tories are as clueless now as they have been since 1997.