Obamas gone potty !

[fflyingdog]

Now i know hes scratching for votes but i don't think this is going to help....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459

[Tunku]

I'm sorry, but I find that anything related to the Islam religion so close to this place offensive. The people who thought up this idea should have second thoughts. If Catholics, Protestants or Jews had done the same,my thoughts would be the same. The reason I find it offensive, is that I see it as a provocation to the survivors of the victims, and the people involved in the decision should have thought a bit more deeply, with less emphasis on politically correct namby pambyness.

[ClintonB]

fflyingdog said:

Now i know hes scratching for votes but i don't think this is going to help....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459

However, you'd think he was anything but. If he wasn't black and it was election year, he'd get about as many votes as a recent British Eurovision contestant. The way he's going, even the Palin woman's p0rn double would stand a decent chance of election.

It's wrong but I guess he's saying the right thing. However, when did your average Septic ever want to hear the right thing?

[Willie Dee]

The freedom that would be taken away from US citizens is not worth the misplaced sensitivity of the victims of 9/11.

[Jasandjules]

Willie Dee said:

The freedom that would be taken away from US citizens is not worth the misplaced sensitivity of the victims of 9/11.

I think it is very wrong to say "misplaced" sensitivity.

However, to my mind the building of a Mosque in that location is the biggest "f**k you" that can be sent to the Islamic Extremists i.e. you can do all this and we still practice what we preach, that everyone has the freedom to choose their religion.

[Bill]

Jasandjules said:

Willie Dee said:

The freedom that would be taken away from US citizens is not worth the misplaced sensitivity of the victims of 9/11.

I think it is very wrong to say "misplaced" sensitivity.

However, to my mind the building of a Mosque in that location is the biggest "f**k you" that can be sent to the Islamic Extremists i.e. you can do all this and we still practice what we preach, that everyone has the freedom to choose their religion.

Agreed on both counts.

This demonstrates that our way is better than theirs. Stopping this mosque reduces us to the level of regimes like Saudi.

[grumbledoak]

Bill said:

This demonstrates that our way is better than theirs.

Not to the mosque's backers it doesn't, they just see it as weakness. Though no doubt half of Islington will be congratulating themselves and feeling superior.

Anyway, this is a bit of a non-story. It isn't a triumphalist statement by the darkies (which a mosque on the actual site would be). It's a few blocks away and has been there for some time.

[Jackleman]

9/11 Had nothing to do with religion, it was mentally ill fanatics that were behind it. There were many innocent Muslims who died as a result of the terrorist act and so I don't see the point.

It is a bit like saying a Catholic or Protestant Church should not be allowed near the Brighton Grand, or Canary Wharf.

[Bill]

grumbledoak said:

Not to the mosque's backers it doesn't, they just see it as weakness. Though no doubt half of Islington will be congratulating themselves and feeling superior.

There's no doubt a few idiots on both sides will see it as weakness but most will see it as a clear demonstration that the terrorists' aim of driving a wedge between Muslims and the rest of the world has failed.

[grumbledoak]

Bill said:

There's no doubt a few idiots on both sides will see it as weakness but most will see it as a clear demonstration that the terrorists' aim of driving a wedge between Muslims and the rest of the world has failed.

Except it hasn't, has it. Thus the controversy over this 'cultural centre'.

[Eric Mc]

Almost shocking. Like Obama, I agree that "Al Quaeda" is not "Islam" but the sheer insensitivity of ageeing with the proposal to build a mosque at or near the scene is just crass and does indicate that Obama is pretty clueless.

[Bill]

grumbledoak said:

Bill said:

There's no doubt a few idiots on both sides will see it as weakness but most will see it as a clear demonstration that the terrorists' aim of driving a wedge between Muslims and the rest of the world has failed.

Except it hasn't, has it. Thus the controversy over this 'cultural centre'.

A handful of demonstraters isn't the rest of the world.

[toast boy]

I think the word mosque is getting misread by some people to mean 'factory for more religious extremists'. It is a place of worship for people who are, by and large, a peaceful part of the community.

Some people seem to think it is equal to putting a statue of Osama in the middle of ground zero. It's not.

[Eric Mc]

Politicians get criticed when they don't stick to principles.

Politicians get criticised when they do stick to pronciples.

However, politicians have to exercise judgement, especially in a democracy, and therefore they must assess when a principle is paramount or when a principle might need to be compromised - even if only slightly.

Obama does seem to find it difficult to work out when a finer judgement is required.

[joe_90]

Eric Mc said:

Almost shocking. Like Obama, I agree that "Al Quaeda" is not "Islam" but the sheer insensitivity of ageeing with the proposal to build a mosque at or near the scene is just crass and does indicate that Obama is pretty clueless.

1) it is not a new Mosque, they are just rebuilding an old one.
2) There are loads of strip clubs etc near by too.. is that crass?
3) America is 'freedom of religion', they put up a chruch(s) after that Christian guy blew up that building, but no-one bhed at that.

To many idiots are sectionalizing this calling it the 'ground zero mosque', its crap. It like calling a strip club (that is closer) the Ground Zero Beaver Club.

Edited by joe_90 on Saturday 14th August 11:35

[Conian]

They should build a small mosque into every major building and utility service going.
We could call it Operation Human Shield Let Muslims Pray Anywhere

[Eric Mc]

I'm not arguing - but sometimes there's a time and a place.

Maybe a slightly cooler assessment of the situation might have been the right approach and slightly less enthusiastic support for the motion.

I agree that the media reporting of such news is not always accurate and pften deliberately inflammatory. However, Obama no doubt knows this, and should take such potential reactions into account before opening hios mouth.

[Bill]

joe_90 said:

Eric Mc said:

Almost shocking. Like Obama, I agree that "Al Quaeda" is not "Islam" but the sheer insensitivity of ageeing with the proposal to build a mosque at or near the scene is just crass and does indicate that Obama is pretty clueless.

1) it is not a new Mosque, they are just rebuilding an old one.
2) There are loads of strip clubs etc near by too.. is that crass?
3) America is 'freedom of religion', they put up a chruch(s) after that Christian guy blew up that building, but no-one bhed at that.

To many idiots are sectionalizing this calling it the 'ground zero mosque', its crap. It like calling a strip club (that is closer) the Ground Zero Beaver Club.

Edited by joe_90 on Saturday 14th August 09:27

This.

[5unny]

Tunku said:

I'm sorry, but I find that anything related to the Islam religion so close to this place offensive. The people who thought up this idea should have second thoughts. If Catholics, Protestants or Jews had done the same,my thoughts would be the same. The reason I find it offensive, is that I see it as a provocation to the survivors of the victims, and the people involved in the decision should have thought a bit more deeply, with less emphasis on politically correct namby pambyness.

So how far from ground zero should a mosque exclusion zone be in place?

[tinman0]

5unny said:

Tunku said:

I'm sorry, but I find that anything related to the Islam religion so close to this place offensive. The people who thought up this idea should have second thoughts. If Catholics, Protestants or Jews had done the same,my thoughts would be the same. The reason I find it offensive, is that I see it as a provocation to the survivors of the victims, and the people involved in the decision should have thought a bit more deeply, with less emphasis on politically correct namby pambyness.

So how far from ground zero should a mosque exclusion zone be in place?

15,000 miles should do it.