Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[dxg]

There's the physical work of extraction which is, as you say, in decline, but then there's the ingrained shore-side manufacturing base, much of which makes readily-exportable smaller products. And all the expertise.

The SG should have acknowledged the end of the fields by putting in place various tax breaks to make sure the expertise and as much of the manufacturing base as possible remained here. Had they done this, Scotland would have had something else to export alongside whiskey. They could also have helped solve some of the higher education problems by extending tax credits for O&G research to create further expertise for export.

But, due to the Greens and the SNP's sheer lack of ability and interest, nothing was done.

[munroman]

Drawweight said:

Klippie said:

Just listen to this impudent child giving pelters to Kate Forbes...who apart from being SNP seems to be a perfectly sane normal woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7-Hsz0yKM&t=...

The last time I checked the Greens and their LGTVBBC+ lot were 2.9% of the population, it really boils my pish when they have the gall to think they should get a say in anything, a tiny minority who are borderline mental cases and should be sectioned as clearly they are suffering from personality disorders.

I had a quick look on Wikipedia and the percentage of LGBT members of Holyrood was approx 15%.

I'd say that that's an underestimate, but it proves that the existing MSP contingent do not represent the Electorate.
The % of Non Scots must also be unrepresentative.

The % of swivel eyed Perverts certainly is!

[Ecosseven]

Latest polling for Scotland for the next UK General Election. Lots can happen in the run-up to a GE but at the moment Labour look to be on course to give the SNP a bloody nose.

[jshell]

NRS said:

irc said:

Who knew? The green transition is bullst. It is just making us poorer.

"The oil and gas industry in Scotland has shed nearly 40% of its jobs amounting to 50,000 in Scotland over a decade, according to industry figures - while the number gained from low carbon enterprises has risen by just 2,500."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24313134.anger...

North Sea is on a big decline anyway due to a lack of commercial O&G to be found/developed. It's not just the Green Transition. Norway's kroner has been smashed recently partly due to the O&G starting to drop off and it likely impacting their economy long term, and Norway has more remaining O&G than us. A lot of BIg Oil is abandoning both Norway and the UK and leaving it to smaller companies who are happy with smaller profits/more risk.

Also that decade period mentioned starts from the time of extremely high oil prices when the industry was unsustainable and collapsed just after (worldwide) to now when it is a lot more balanced. So it's pretty misleading compared to the normal.

It's in decline because of the political turmoil and confusion caused by the Labour leader, Starmer. That, and the NSTA trying to control the developments by holding up the processing of the necessary documents and submissions required to begin development. The turnaround of the ES, 'Environmental Statement' by the NSTA is now a whopping 6 months, which is utterly absurd!

[Evercross]

Ecosseven said:

Latest polling for Scotland for the next UK General Election. Lots can happen in the run-up to a GE but at the moment Labour look to be on course to give the SNP a bloody nose.

If rUK looks like it will be voting Labour then Scotland will follow suit and then there is really no point in the SNP in its current iteration.

Once again Effie has it spot on.

[jshell]

Evercross said:

Once again Effie has it spot on.

Yes, she does!

[alangla]

Ecosseven said:

Latest polling for Scotland for the next UK General Election. Lots can happen in the run-up to a GE but at the moment Labour look to be on course to give the SNP a bloody nose.

Worth noting that the Labour numbers aren’t a million miles off the 2005 general election result (39.5% of the vote that time) which returned 41 Labour MPs. The SNP are clearly far stronger than in 2005 (17.7% back then!) so one would still expect a return well into double figures, but one suspects that a lot of the SNP MPs in the Central Belt, particularly the west, will be looking for new jobs. Looking at those polls, there’s clear upward momentum for Labour as well, so matching 2005’s percentages certainly looks possible.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdo...

[rider73]

tbh i think Swinney should have called an election immediately after becoming FM - at then the SNP could have spouted any nonsense for policy that didnt have to appease Greens, and of course, blamed the Greens for everything else.

as time progresses Swinney will get to the thin edge of the wedge in how to keep getting SNP policy voted through with greens help while trying to give the SNP momentum in "popular" policies to get votes....

[irc]

This prediction calculator gives Labour 36. SNP 12 Tories and Libs 5 each on the most recent poll numbers


https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/userc...

Drop another 3% or so and into single figures for the SNP which would makes them 4 party at Westminster. Less short money. Thereafter the deposed MPs would be fighting like ferrets in a sack for seats at Holyrood in 2026.

Edited by irc on Monday 13th May 15:46

[Roderick Spode]

irc said:

This prediction calculator gives Labour 36. SNP 12 Tories and Libs 5 each on the most recent poll numbers


https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/userc...

Drop another 3% or so and into single figures for the SNP which would makes them 4 party at Westminster. Less short money. Thereafter the deposed MPs would be fighting like ferrets in a sack for seats at Holyrood in 2026.

Edited by irc on Monday 13th May 15:46

If the Scumbag Nats fall to single figures in the forthcoming election, I have a very real concern for the future of my liver. I shall drink myself into a celebratory coma.

[alangla]

irc said:

This prediction calculator gives Labour 36. SNP 12 Tories and Libs 5 each on the most recent poll numbers


https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/userc...

Drop another 3% or so and into single figures for the SNP which would makes them 4 party at Westminster. Less short money. Thereafter the deposed MPs would be fighting like ferrets in a sack for seats at Holyrood in 2026.

Edited by irc on Monday 13th May 15:46

That’s nowhere near as disastrous for the Tories as I’d expected. I think in reality the SNP might make a couple of gains from them in the North East. The list of seats at the bottom of the page does rather point to the central belt bloodbath that we’re all expecting.

[irc]

Roderick Spode said:

irc said:

This prediction calculator gives Labour 36. SNP 12 Tories and Libs 5 each on the most recent poll numbers


https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/userc...

Drop another 3% or so and into single figures for the SNP which would makes them 4 party at Westminster. Less short money. Thereafter the deposed MPs would be fighting like ferrets in a sack for seats at Holyrood in 2026.

Edited by irc on Monday 13th May 15:46

If the Scumbag Nats fall to single figures in the forthcoming election, I have a very real concern for the future of my liver. I shall drink myself into a celebratory coma.

I will need to book a day of holiday the following day. I won't be fit to work in the morning if the SNP drop 20 odd seats.

[Composer62]

irc said:

I will need to book a day of holiday the following day. I won't be fit to work in the morning if the SNP drop 20 odd seats.

Me too !

[NRS]

jshell said:

NRS said:

irc said:

Who knew? The green transition is bullst. It is just making us poorer.

"The oil and gas industry in Scotland has shed nearly 40% of its jobs amounting to 50,000 in Scotland over a decade, according to industry figures - while the number gained from low carbon enterprises has risen by just 2,500."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24313134.anger...

North Sea is on a big decline anyway due to a lack of commercial O&G to be found/developed. It's not just the Green Transition. Norway's kroner has been smashed recently partly due to the O&G starting to drop off and it likely impacting their economy long term, and Norway has more remaining O&G than us. A lot of BIg Oil is abandoning both Norway and the UK and leaving it to smaller companies who are happy with smaller profits/more risk.

Also that decade period mentioned starts from the time of extremely high oil prices when the industry was unsustainable and collapsed just after (worldwide) to now when it is a lot more balanced. So it's pretty misleading compared to the normal.

It's in decline because of the political turmoil and confusion caused by the Labour leader, Starmer. That, and the NSTA trying to control the developments by holding up the processing of the necessary documents and submissions required to begin development. The turnaround of the ES, 'Environmental Statement' by the NSTA is now a whopping 6 months, which is utterly absurd!

It’s not a political thing only, the underground stuff that is left is pretty crappy - there’s a reason most have not been developed before now or have not been discovered. It’s absolutely running out of room to develop commercially with good profitability and not so much risk. Of course you’ll have the odd thing that pops up but it’s a pretty sad looking bunch of prospects/discoveries left to develop these days.

[Mercdriver]

Composer62 said:

Me too !

Should be declared a national holiday

[irc]

What happens when a country where only 1% of the population in one corner of the place speak Gaelic but for political purposes and virtue signalling every sign is bi-lingual?

Glasgow Airport puts up a sign in Irish Gaelic because obviously of all their hundreds of employees nobody was actually a native Gaelic speaker.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24318200.glasg...

[EC2]

irc said:

What happens when a country where only 1% of the population in one corner of the place speak Gaelic but for political purposes and virtue signalling every sign is bi-lingual?

Glasgow Airport puts up a sign in Irish Gaelic because obviously of all their hundreds of employees nobody was actually a native Gaelic speaker.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24318200.glasg...

Yes being forced on us on the sides of Police Cars and Ambulances and train station signs, most of the latter in parts of Scotland that never spoke Gaelic. All about creating division, a point of difference from the nasty English and rewriting a historic narrative incorrectly. That is what Nationalism is all about.

[Mammasaid]

EC2 said:

irc said:

What happens when a country where only 1% of the population in one corner of the place speak Gaelic but for political purposes and virtue signalling every sign is bi-lingual?

Glasgow Airport puts up a sign in Irish Gaelic because obviously of all their hundreds of employees nobody was actually a native Gaelic speaker.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24318200.glasg...

Yes being forced on us on the sides of Police Cars and Ambulances and train station signs, most of the latter in parts of Scotland that never spoke Gaelic. All about creating division, a point of difference from the nasty English and rewriting a historic narrative incorrectly. That is what Nationalism is all about.

It's Welsh, you 'tard

[alangla]

irc said:

What happens when a country where only 1% of the population in one corner of the place speak Gaelic but for political purposes and virtue signalling every sign is bi-lingual?

Glasgow Airport puts up a sign in Irish Gaelic because obviously of all their hundreds of employees nobody was actually a native Gaelic speaker.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24318200.glasg...

There’s also the fact that Glasgow City Council are currently cutting teacher numbers, but also opening yet another Gaelic primary school, the fourth in the city. I suspect this is for the middle class, non-native speakers in Dennistoun rather than any underprivileged native speakers actually living in Calton.

When the SNP won control of the council I was glad & hoped that decades of Labour complacency and ineptitude would be swept away. It’s been replaced by something far worse unfortunately, this city is absolutely fked with these clowns in charge. The sooner it reverts to Labour the better, but I fear there’s no political will to undo the damage that’s been done.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/plans-for-new-23m...

[Evercross]

alangla said:

There’s also the fact that Glasgow City Council are currently cutting teacher numbers, but also opening yet another Gaelic primary school, the fourth in the city. I suspect this is for the middle class, non-native speakers in Dennistoun rather than any underprivileged native speakers actually living in Calton.

You're not far off.

The justification for opening these schools is that apparently Gaelic schools show a higher level of attainment on national testing ranks. A classic example of the logical fallacy of correlation not being the same thing as causation. The teaching of Gaelic has sweet FA to do with the levels of attainment. It is entirely to do with the demographic that the pretentiousness of offering Gaelic lessons attracts.

I have directly encountered this political sophistry at my work and I have given up pointing it out, because it is...

EC2 said:

...all about creating division, a point of difference from the nasty English and rewriting a historic narrative incorrectly.