Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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alangla

4,896 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th May
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hidetheelephants said:
Step away from the tabloids, they've rotted your brain.
Well, the thing that worries me is more that behind most of the SNP loopiness, eg Gender, Hate Crime, there was a full, whipped, Labour and Lib Dem vote.

hidetheelephants

24,925 posts

194 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.

General Price

5,277 posts

184 months

Tuesday 14th May
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hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
Starmer stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn and said he would make a good prime minister.He will say anything.

hidetheelephants

24,925 posts

194 months

Tuesday 14th May
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General Price said:
hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
Starmer stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn and said he would make a good prime minister.He's a fking idiot.
He also stabbed him in the back, ejected him from the party and exiled his acolytes from positions of power. He's not an idiot.

alangla

4,896 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th May
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hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
I don’t get that impression either, but both of them do seem to be “right on” until the press (or at least the London press) turn on them & then they desperately back-pedal. I guess that’s better than Sturgeon who always dug in when faced with press hostility, but the Scottish media is so pathetic they’re not likely to resist anything a Scottish Government of any colour proposes, so the scenario of crazy Scottish legislation being quietly dropped is unlikely. I’ll also happily bet on no Section 35s in a first term of a Starmer government.

General Price

5,277 posts

184 months

Tuesday 14th May
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hidetheelephants said:
General Price said:
hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
Starmer stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn and said he would make a good prime minister.He's a fking idiot.
He also stabbed him in the back, ejected him from the party and exiled his acolytes from positions of power. He's not an idiot.
That's why I edited it to,he will say anything.

Klippie

3,216 posts

146 months

Tuesday 14th May
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hidetheelephants said:
Step away from the tabloids, they've rotted your brain.
No they haven't, it was widley reported at the time...fly with the crows you get shot with them.

Starmer will say and do anything that will get him votes, he is Mr U-turn say one thing today and its history tomorrow.

Not to be trusted.

hidetheelephants

24,925 posts

194 months

Tuesday 14th May
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All you've got there is woo. Is he a terrifying corbynite lefty socialist who will commandeer your cars, nationalise your house and send you down the mines or a slippery blairite who will do anything to get and keep power? You can't have it both ways.

Klippie

3,216 posts

146 months

Tuesday 14th May
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hidetheelephants said:
All you've got there is woo. Is he a terrifying corbynite lefty socialist who will commandeer your cars, nationalise your house and send you down the mines or a slippery blairite who will do anything to get and keep power? You can't have it both ways.
How do you know he's not, where have you read anything to counter the argument, perhaps from the very same tabloids you mentioned previously..he changes direction so quickly its hard to gauge what he thinks or may do.

Not a good example of a politician to wants so badly to be PM.

eccles

13,747 posts

223 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Klippie said:
No they haven't, it was widley reported at the time...fly with the crows you get shot with them.

Starmer will say and do anything that will get him votes, he is Mr U-turn say one thing today and its history tomorrow.

Not to be trusted.
And how is that any different to any other of our recent leaders?

Mammasaid

3,911 posts

98 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Rent controls going well then?

Article said:
Data analysts at Savills compared listings on Zoopla of properties to rent in the 2019 calendar year, and the 12 months to March this year.

They found:

The average listing time for a two-bedroom flat in Britain fell from 35 days in 2019 to 25 days in the last year

The average is now 15 days in Scotland, where a policy of rent control has been in place.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxr33l9dx0yo


sherman

13,434 posts

216 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Mammasaid said:
Rent controls going well then?

Article said:
Data analysts at Savills compared listings on Zoopla of properties to rent in the 2019 calendar year, and the 12 months to March this year.

They found:

The average listing time for a two-bedroom flat in Britain fell from 35 days in 2019 to 25 days in the last year

The average is now 15 days in Scotland, where a policy of rent control has been in place.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxr33l9dx0yo

Coincidence scratchchin
Edinburgh has 1600 Short Term Lets planning applications to process.
https://news.stv.tv/east-central/edinburgh-council...

vikingaero

10,513 posts

170 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Being Scottish used to mean being tight, or for Scottish Financial Services being prudent. And this gave us all a wealth of Scottish financial institutions.

Now despite a 25% per head more per head spending, the Scots have declared a national housing emergency, and want more money that doesn't exist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4n11j180lzo

Councils across rUK are experiencing the same situation, yet 25%moreScotland wants more. How would an iScot cope when funded by 5m people?

irc

7,484 posts

137 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Ah but we have baby boxes!!

Senex

2,989 posts

177 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I was born in 1956, my mother was Scottish born in Edinburgh, my father was English born in London. I was born in London.

When I was three months old we moved to Aberdeen. We stayed in Aberdeen until I was twelve years old.

When I was a kid I never thought about the difference between Scotland and England, to me it just seemed like one country but the people in England had a different accent, much like I thought of Glasgow, similar but they spoke nothing like me. Also much like TV shows from America, they seemed culturally just like us but spoke slightly differently, but I never gave that any thought either.

Anyway, I remember being in school one day and the headmaster came into the classroom and asked if any of us wanted lessons in Scottish Gaelic. Without consulting one another, not one child raised their hand. Why would we? Who would want extra lessons in a near dead language? For what purpose?

Incidentally, when I was a kid I wore a kilt every Sunday because of Sunday school and I thought I was 100% Scottish. Not that I thought about it much, a bit like thinking you are 100% a human being, you know it but you don't ever think about it.

When we moved to England I lost my accent and slowly morphed into an English person, which is what I now consider myself (but look back fondly at my Scottish roots, a bit like an American thinking about their Irish roots).

I have about as much interest in learning Anglo-Saxon now as when I was a kid being offered lessons in Gaelic. What would be the point? It's just ridiculous, one might as well take lessons in Cornish.

A.J.M

7,944 posts

187 months

Wednesday 15th May
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emicen said:
A.J.M said:
irc said:
So the £75.000 men's shed funding was scrapped while there was enough spare cash to send 10 times the amount to Gaza when Humza's family were stuck there?

Meanwhile pet projects like LGBT youth Scotland get cash chucked at them. £1M in 2022/23.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politi...


A U turn for now.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24319490.scott...

Edited by irc on Tuesday 14th May 15:02
Of course it will get scrapped in the end.

Society doesn’t care about men.
We are the source of all evil in the world.
Masculinity is toxic, regardless of what it is.
There is a huge problem with loneliness and suicide in men but society doesn’t care.

Best way to get ahead in some areas is to be part of the querty community.
Hell of a lot of news nowadays just makes me do the usual rolleyes, mutter, shake head etc, but this situation boils my blood.

I’ve never in my life encountered a confuzzled Gael who has mistakenly alighted at Anniesland instead of Partaig. Never seen a distraught one with an injury trying to flag down an ice cream van cause they couldn’t see anything marked Ambaileans.

Tell you what I have seen though, the reality of 6 men I know struggling and deciding suicide was the only way out. I don’t keep a large friendship circle and these weren’t vague acquaintances, we’re talking friends, family, friends’ family. That’s a really stark number.

£117m in the past 4 years spunked on Gaelic grandstanding whilst pulling the funding from charities which can save lives. Disgraceful.
In a previous job, I got suicide prevention training.

As you can imagine that wasn’t an easy course.
It wasn’t easy putting it into practice.

The mindset of someone thinking of committing suicide is frightening.

They genuinely feel that every single person that knows them, will be better off if they are dead.



dxg

8,280 posts

261 months

Wednesday 15th May
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General Price said:
hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
Starmer stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn and said he would make a good prime minister.He will say anything.
He'll even change the law to increase his pension - to remove the £1m lifetime contribution limit. Just for his pension, mind. An Act of Parliament for literally one person. Him.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2588/cont...

Edited by dxg on Wednesday 15th May 12:12

hidetheelephants

24,925 posts

194 months

Wednesday 15th May
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dxg said:
General Price said:
hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
Starmer stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn and said he would make a good prime minister.He will say anything.
He'll even change the law to increase his pension. Just his pension, mind. A law for literally one person. Him.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2588/cont...
Who was in parliament and voted that through?

It wasn't him.

dxg

8,280 posts

261 months

Wednesday 15th May
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hidetheelephants said:
dxg said:
General Price said:
hidetheelephants said:
I'm quite sure a Sarwar govt will fk some stuff up and I'll hate them, but he isn't a leftwing firebrand and neither is Starmer.
Starmer stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn and said he would make a good prime minister.He will say anything.
He'll even change the law to increase his pension. Just his pension, mind. A law for literally one person. Him.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2588/cont...
Who was in parliament and voted that through?

It wasn't him.
He didn't seem to mind.

hidetheelephants

24,925 posts

194 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I was unaware this thread's topic had changed to "whatever is bugging that fat prick who writes Order Order", but whatever.