Official Eastleigh By-election thread

[FiF]

Tory Leadership plots, have they been slapped down? Is Cameron feeling vulnerable. Of course the alleged plot involves May and Hammond, and not those two from Top Gear either.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/1...

[anonymous-user]

toppstuff said:

Andy Zarse said:

MX7 said:

The trend is that we run with a deficit. There have only been 6 years since '79 when we had a surplus, and ironically 4 of them were under Brown.



Right up until '07 I believe that it was manageable.

This includes PFI right?

No it does not include PFI.

enjoy

[Wombat3]

MX7 said:

Andy Zarse said:

This includes PFI right?

No, unfortunately I don't think it does.

However, I suspect that the privatisation in the 80s and 90s also massaged the figures a bit, so it's swings and roundabouts.

It's not right that we don't have entirely transparent figures, but you can only go by the figures that you are given.

Noted re privatisation - and that also removed a whole load of "running costs" too

Also don't forget Brown had £22Bn from the sale of the 3G mobile licenses and, conservatively, £75Bn out the pension funds while he was chancellor & PM, not to mention innumerable other indirect tax rises etc. He even managed to put income tax up by the back door via fiscal drag on the allowances.

[baz1985]

fbrs said:

enjoy

I think there's a market opportunity here...'government budget day lenders'....

[anonymous-user]

Wombat3 said:

Noted re privatisation - and that also removed a whole load of "running costs" too

Also don't forget Brown had £22Bn from the sale of the 3G mobile licenses and, conservatively, £75Bn out the PRIVATE pension funds while LAVISHING 460BN EXTRA UNFUNDED PENSION ENTITLEMENT ON THE PUBLIC SECTOR, not to mention innumerable other indirect tax rises etc. He even managed to put income tax up by the back door via fiscal drag on the allowances.

my caps

[MX7]

Wombat3 said:

Noted re privatisation - and that also removed a whole load of "running costs" too

Yes. That's what I said.

Wombat3 said:

Also don't forget Brown had £22Bn from the sale of the 3G mobile licenses and, conservatively, £75Bn out the pension funds while he was chancellor & PM, not to mention innumerable other indirect tax rises etc. He even managed to put income tax up by the back door via fiscal drag on the allowances.

As I said, every administration employs mechanisms to bodge their figures, and, unless you are willing to compile the figures, all we can do is take the given numbers as a rough guide, regardless of whether it's blue or red.

[Wombat3]

fbrs said:

Wombat3 said:

Noted re privatisation - and that also removed a whole load of "running costs" too

Also don't forget Brown had £22Bn from the sale of the 3G mobile licenses and, conservatively, £75Bn out the PRIVATE pension funds while LAVISHING 460BN EXTRA UNFUNDED PENSION ENTITLEMENT ON THE PUBLIC SECTOR, not to mention innumerable other indirect tax rises etc. He even managed to put income tax up by the back door via fiscal drag on the allowances.

my caps

The man has so much to answer for.

[AshVX220]

fbrs said:

enjoy

..and yet, all the MSM can moan about regularly is the defence defecit!!