Falling car sales .. job losses coming
Discussion
Mr. White said:
Fittster said:
So why are JLR saying it is one of the two factors behind the reduction in the number of staff?
It's an easy excuse; better than admitting any failure of foresight to see the way the car industry was headed.If they had a £35k EV with a 250 mile range on the market, the news would be about their job increases. No doubt "despite Brexit".
Mr. White said:
It's an easy excuse; better than admitting any failure of foresight to see the way the car industry was headed.
If they had a £35k EV with a 250 mile range on the market, the news would be about their job increases. No doubt "despite Brexit".
If you take those blinkers off for one second; they never said that the only reason is Brexit, rather that one of the reasons is Brexit. You'd have to be particularly dense to think that uncertainty caused by Brexit is not affecting sales. If they had a £35k EV with a 250 mile range on the market, the news would be about their job increases. No doubt "despite Brexit".
If you don't like JLR narrative, maybe SMMT?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/biggest-drop-in-uk-c...
It's absolutely hilarious watching grown people putting fingers in their ears; 'Can't be Brexit, Brexit is the bestest! It's an excuse! Enemies of Brexit are looking to undermine the biggliest Brexit of them all! Project FEAR!!'.
Ahbefive said:
Youbrealky do come up with some rubbish, yet you call everyone else stupid, hilarious.
Not sure what 'youbrealky' means, but if that was addressed to me, it's incorrect. I don't call everyone else stupid. I'm saying that if you can't see that uncertainty caused by Brexit is influencing car sales, that you are dim.HTH.
Ahbefive said:
jjlynn27 said:
I don't call everyone else stupid.
Maybe you should try reading some of your posts sometime then? Or do you just type, submit said post and forget about it?
jjlynn27 said:
Show me a post where I call everyone else stupid. I sometimes call certain people stupid, with justification. Not everyone. Now, do you have any interest in this topic or your sole interest is trying to manufacture something out of thin air? Anything on this subject? Anything at all?
If we went through every post you've ever made and drew a Venn diagram there wouldn't be much left in the "not stupid" block. Probably just people who agree with you. I reckon if we tried hard enough we could find posts where you've effectively called yourself it, such is the vigour with which you like to throw insults around
Folk have gorged themselves on shiny new cars on cheap finance for the last 5 or so years as part of the 'I can have everything I want' generation.
I suspect as much as anything we have reached 'peak shiny new car' and folk have begun to realise what a waste of money they are and that, ultimately, they are unsatisfying.
Your typical fiscally prudent German buys a new car and keeps it for 15 years and gets well paid making 'prestige' but anodine cars for the UK which are bought on cheap finance by folk who really can't afford them.
I personally don't think it got anything to do with Brexit so much as a market correction, though the diesel U turn has doubtless not helped.
I suspect as much as anything we have reached 'peak shiny new car' and folk have begun to realise what a waste of money they are and that, ultimately, they are unsatisfying.
Your typical fiscally prudent German buys a new car and keeps it for 15 years and gets well paid making 'prestige' but anodine cars for the UK which are bought on cheap finance by folk who really can't afford them.
I personally don't think it got anything to do with Brexit so much as a market correction, though the diesel U turn has doubtless not helped.
cb31 said:
Fast Bug said:
To be honest a torquey diesel suits larger off roaders more than the s
t 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them.
Too right, I own a Disco 4 which I love, no way am I going to replace it until the whole diesel thing has calmed down. New disco with a petrol v8, great apart from it would bankrupt me, new disco with ingenium 4 pot with a massive turbo, not a chance.t 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. I'd told him to chop it in for a new Disco 4 before they stopped making it, but he sat on the fence as at that time his 3 was still very reliable (shock horror) at the 7-8 year old mark, so he stuck rather than twisted.
With dieselgate and the new Disco not being anything like what he was expecting, he's wishing he had listened to me, as also now, his Disco 4 has decided to repay the faith he had in by letting him down on 3 expensive occasions since he decided to stick...
Mind you, I think I'll now be keeping my X5 for a lot longer than I had originally anticipated a couple of years ago.
Interesting ... Vauxhall to terminate entire dealer network due to falling sales
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/16/va...
Edited by Earthdweller on Monday 16th April 17:07
Earthdweller said:
I needed to hire a car recently and was given a Vauxhall Corsa. I think the firm is grammatically challenged with that name as it should, undoubtedly, have been spelt "Coarser".Feckin hateful car and if that's the standard of what they produce I am surprising they have sold any cars whatsoever in the last few years. I never really understood the concept of people "not liking" driving....as soon as I drove that I understood it totally.
Hopefully this won't just be a renegotiating terms/restructuring exercise and they can disappear properly (or at the very least use it as a kick up the arse to start producing decent cars again).
Murph7355 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Show me a post where I call everyone else stupid. I sometimes call certain people stupid, with justification. Not everyone. Now, do you have any interest in this topic or your sole interest is trying to manufacture something out of thin air? Anything on this subject? Anything at all?
If we went through every post you've ever made and drew a Venn diagram there wouldn't be much left in the "not stupid" block. Probably just people who agree with you. I reckon if we tried hard enough we could find posts where you've effectively called yourself it, such is the vigour with which you like to throw insults around
Earthdweller said:
Interesting ... Vauxhall to terminate entire dealer network due to falling sales
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/16/va...
To be sold by PSA dealers, I wonder? There must be a reason they bought Opel and I doubt it's to sell more Corsashttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/16/va...
jjlynn27 said:
davepoth said:
Yes, roughly.
The bit that makes it work is that the UK buys a ridiculous number of "premium" cars per head of population compared to anywhere else in Europe. We buy more BMWs than France, Italy and Japan put together, for example.
In a hypothetical example, Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 530,000 cars in the UK in 2017. JLR sold 115,000.
In Europe as a whole Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 2,494,000 cars, and JLR 222,000.
If the walls went up and JLR could only sell in the UK and Audi, BMW and Mercedes couldn't, JLR potentially would have the opportunity to increase their Europe sales by about 200% (assuming no other market entrants), while BMW, Audi and Mercedes would be looking at a loss of about 15%.
So far as components go, ZF builds gearboxes in China - and I expect the vast majority of other tier 2 auto manufacturers do too.
The bit that makes it work is that the UK buys a ridiculous number of "premium" cars per head of population compared to anywhere else in Europe. We buy more BMWs than France, Italy and Japan put together, for example.
In a hypothetical example, Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 530,000 cars in the UK in 2017. JLR sold 115,000.
In Europe as a whole Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 2,494,000 cars, and JLR 222,000.
If the walls went up and JLR could only sell in the UK and Audi, BMW and Mercedes couldn't, JLR potentially would have the opportunity to increase their Europe sales by about 200% (assuming no other market entrants), while BMW, Audi and Mercedes would be looking at a loss of about 15%.
So far as components go, ZF builds gearboxes in China - and I expect the vast majority of other tier 2 auto manufacturers do too.
<insert not sure if serious meme right about here>
"potentially would have the opportunity"
How can you not love NP&E.
My point was that while the above situation won't happen because it is an absurd extrapolation, there is an opportunity for JLR in the UK to fill the gap left by European premium brands who may become less competitive here as a result of Brexit.
Earthdweller said:
Interesting ... Vauxhall to terminate entire dealer network due to falling sales
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/16/va...
And 1,600 dealers across Europe. Brexit cuts long and deep apparently.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/16/va...
Edited by Earthdweller on Monday 16th April 17:07
Vauxhall will use that to cut dead wood from the dealer network, and I bet that you'll see some large Vauxhall/PSA sites come from it. Renault did a similar thing a few years back, cut half the range and terminated a few dealers. There were 2 near me that lost the franchise, between them they didn't have a 6 car showroom...
Skoda did it to a dealer a few years, they told a few of their dealers they'd found a new site for them, only required a £3m investment for a gin palace showroom. The ones that said no were given a termination notice and a large group took over the territory and built and a new dealership.
I'd hate to own a franchised dealership
Skoda did it to a dealer a few years, they told a few of their dealers they'd found a new site for them, only required a £3m investment for a gin palace showroom. The ones that said no were given a termination notice and a large group took over the territory and built and a new dealership.
I'd hate to own a franchised dealership
Edited by Fast Bug on Monday 16th April 23:48
I have a friend who had a chain of camera stores, got out 15 years ago well timed..
If you are a car main dealership the future isn't going to be looking rosy.. Bev will kill warranty and serving self driving will kill repairs, direct selling will kill your sales. Not all of that will go away but a big chunk of it..
If you are a car main dealership the future isn't going to be looking rosy.. Bev will kill warranty and serving self driving will kill repairs, direct selling will kill your sales. Not all of that will go away but a big chunk of it..
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