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eharding said:
Farage does indeed have a grandly theatrical, evangelistic style, which invokes frenzied devotion from his small band of acolytes - but then, so did the likes of Jim Jones and David Koresh. My advice to the folks in the UKIP HQ compound would be that if the orange squash starts tasting a bit funny, or Nigel is seen lugging a can of unleaded and a Zippo around with him, to scarper - toot sweet, as the continentals say.
The rantings of another frightened tory 
Couldn't get 'Cast Iron' Dave to even give his own MPs a free vote on an EU referendum, but still hoping against hope that somehow the Tories will fight our corner. Pathetic and sad.
Lets face it, vote Tory if you want the EU running your life, a Tory vote is a vote for foreign rule and tax.
Globs said:
Mr Snap said:
Maybe I didn't express myself well. I meant that Farrage sounds fine but he looks a bit weird. To my eyes he looks shifty and, call me shallow,
You seem to be retracting the 'fruitcake' accusation, good. You may not like the way he looks, but he's one of a small handful of elected people actually fighting your corner.Calling him names is a strange way of thanking him.
Mr Snap said:
As to Ukip contesting so many seats. I don't have figures but, prior to the demise of Screaming Lord Such, the Official Monster Raving Looney Party managed to contest hundreds of seats, too. So what? A load of middle aged blokes who get aerated about Eurocrats isn't a fully functioning political party, it's just a bunch of aerated middle aged blokes. Meanwhile, their children are probably voting Green. I'm interested in politics but, apart from UKips anti-european views, I know nothing about them or their views on other issues.
You are very opinionated about something you admit you know nothing about.A touch of the europhile hysteria at a party not towing the official line?
Mr Snap said:
They fail to make the political weather and I can't really see them breaking the current stranglehold of the Lib/Lab/Con status quo.
Parties don't break strangleholds, this is a democracy - you have to vote for parties to get elected. I appreciate this concept may be new to you as someone who is into the EU, but it really is down to people voting.Mr Snap said:
Oh, and your figures are wrong. The House of Commons says you got 3.1% of the votes. I tend to believe them, not you. http://electionresources.org/uk/house.php?election...
Yes I see, I wonder why I thought it was 8%, perhaps I was thinking of the total non Lib/Lab/Con/EU block vote.I would tend to think of UKIP as not having much chance but for the rapid increase in their popularity, and the fact tha same is happening all over europe. Austria the anti-EU oarty is currently ahead of the government, and there are many european countries with fast growing anti-Eu (pro democracy) movements. The tide has turned against the EU, politically their support is ebbing away, faster now as their true colours are revealed. Greece and Italy must have seemed a great idea to the cabal but it has sparked a sea change of conscience in europe. Europeans are waking up to the EU, and not liking what they see.
I know nothing about them because they fail to get their views across - apart from "EUROPE! DUNNIT MAKE YER PISS BOIL?". I haven't a clue what else they stand for. And, I'd argue, that's their failure not mine.
Globs said:
The rantings of another frightened tory
Couldn't get 'Cast Iron' Dave to even give his own MPs a free vote on an EU referendum, but still hoping against hope that somehow the Tories will fight our corner. Pathetic and sad.
Lets face it, vote Tory if you want the EU running your life, a Tory vote is a vote for foreign rule and tax.
Couldn't get 'Cast Iron' Dave to even give his own MPs a free vote on an EU referendum, but still hoping against hope that somehow the Tories will fight our corner. Pathetic and sad.
Lets face it, vote Tory if you want the EU running your life, a Tory vote is a vote for foreign rule and tax.
On second thoughts, Globs, keep drinking the orange squash.
The more we hear about UKIP, and observe the antics of some of the more ardent zealots, the more it comes to resemble a classical cult than a political party - and anyone who doesn't subscribe to the one, true path to enlightenment (as dictated by the Great Leader) is designated as somehow less than human.
Edited by eharding on Tuesday 22 November 18:56
Mr Snap said:
I disagree, even Peter Oborn, the right wing Telegraph commentator, said that he was a force to be reckoned with - a flawed man, who made awful mistakes, but a formidable operator who got things right when it really mattered.
The formidable operator who barebacked the economy and left it with a nasty disease, over a decade at No 10 or 11 and the state the country is in now, formidable operator my arseeharding said:
Globs said:
The rantings of another frightened tory
Couldn't get 'Cast Iron' Dave to even give his own MPs a free vote on an EU referendum, but still hoping against hope that somehow the Tories will fight our corner. Pathetic and sad.
Lets face it, vote Tory if you want the EU running your life, a Tory vote is a vote for foreign rule and tax.
Couldn't get 'Cast Iron' Dave to even give his own MPs a free vote on an EU referendum, but still hoping against hope that somehow the Tories will fight our corner. Pathetic and sad.
Lets face it, vote Tory if you want the EU running your life, a Tory vote is a vote for foreign rule and tax.
On second thoughts, Globs, keep drinking the orange squash.
The more we hear about UKIP, and observe the antics of some of the more ardent zealots, the more it comes to resemble a classical cult than a political party - and anyone who doesn't subscribe to the one, true path to enlightenment (as dictated by the Great Leader) is designated as somehow less than human.
The Tory leadership is pro-EU and none of your panicky insults is going to change that.
As a result the Tories are losing more and more votes to UKIP every day
The reason you feel that loathing inside Hardy is because you know it's true.
Globs said:
As a result the Tories are losing more and more votes to UKIP every day
Forgive me if I take that with a pinch of salt, coming as it does from someone who has just been rumbled in a bare-faced attempt to inflate the UKIP share of the vote at the last election, presumably by plucking a figure out of his backside. It does rather put the rest of your more fanciful claims into context though.We'll see when those votes are counted, and the only election that matters will be on 7th May 2015 - plenty of time for those of you screaming for isolationist jam today to run out of piss and wind.
eharding said:
Usual insults and ranting.
The Tory leadership is pro-EU and none of your ranty insults are going to change that.Watch your support disappear along with the eurozone.
ETA (didn't realise the Tories were losing so much support!):
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/201...
The most recent YouGov poll reveals that UKIP is currently polling 7% across the UK, while the the Liberal Democrats stand at 8%.
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/2530-ukip-...
Even nuLabour are gaining on the Tories:
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/201...
Tories - the party that promised us a referendum and then used a three line whip to deny us one.
Edited by Globs on Tuesday 22 November 19:53
Globs said:
The most recent YouGov poll reveals that UKIP is currently polling 7% across the UK, while the the Liberal Democrats stand at 8%.
That's quite an achievement.
At a time of more political and financial turmoil in Europe than most of us can remember, a movement for which the sole purpose in life is to leverage that turmoil and use it to discredit the concept of a European Union manages to poll 1% less than the Lib Dems, who have been utterly gutted as an effective political force by the machinations of the Tories. Even at what is likely to be the zenith of UKIP's relevance, they are still eclipsed by something as irrelevant as the Lib Dems. I'd call that a fairly piss-poor performance.
You assert that UKIP stands alone in representing the UK's interests, and yet by your own metrics 93% of those polled don't agree with you. Is that starting to sink in yet?
eharding said:
Globs said:
The most recent YouGov poll reveals that UKIP is currently polling 7% across the UK, while the the Liberal Democrats stand at 8%.
That's quite an achievement.
Think how many years and how much work and money the LibDems have put in, to be overrun by a new party with the simple message of financial responsibility and political independence.
It's a message that is ringing true with many many people.
Meanwhile the Tories fortunes have rarely been worse, the policy of 'total surrender' to the EU isn't finding many fans.
The trouble is UKIP have the support in small proportions all across the country, but it is far short of enough to get them a seat anywhere.
IMO they could do worse than pick on a few local issues in marginal seats to actually get a presence in Westminster. Not sure what or where this could be, but I can't see them getting anywhere on a national scale without a foothold in parliament.
IMO they could do worse than pick on a few local issues in marginal seats to actually get a presence in Westminster. Not sure what or where this could be, but I can't see them getting anywhere on a national scale without a foothold in parliament.
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