Israel invaded

[Oliver Hardy]

SlimJim16v said:

Oliver Hardy said:

I was asking generally not just you?

What makes me think people aren’t outraged at those other despotic regimes?

Because they are despotic regimes, unlike Israel, who is a supposedly civilised country with western allies and so held to higher standards. That mask of respectability has well and truly slipped.

Hamas is controlled by Iran, maybe Israel should set up an terrorist organisation and then it be OK.

What side of the fence is Russia on for example,

[Panamax]

JagLover said:

we also do not know how many of the children are fighters under the age of 18.

When I see parents sobbing over a bundle of cloth about three feet long I don't say to myself, "Well done Israel, you got another one of those Hamas fighters".

[isaldiri]

JagLover said:

isaldiri said:

Do you think 7k women and 11k children plus 2.5k elderly using the 'identified' % really makes such a big difference to 9.5k women and 14k children getting killed as per previous numbers?

Yes?, because the men to women ratio is now 2 to 1, and we also do not know how many of the children are fighters under the age of 18.

It helps Israel make the case that they have been targeting Hamas fighters, with significant collateral casualties, rather than carrying out indiscriminate bombing. Not to say that it has been as targeted as it could have been of course and there have been suggestions that Israel allowed very lax rules of engagement in the immediate aftermath of the Oct 7th attacks.

Well you also have no idea what the split of unidentified might be either....

And while I agree that Israel isn't actually carrying out 'indiscriminate bombing' (even if Biden did say so a while back), I rather doubt that your proposed argument of merely 'significant collateral casualties' is necessarily going to make them look that much better either when they are killing large absolute numbers of women and children (albeit possible slightly less than initially estimated) and destroying significant parts of gaza.

[Dagnir]

Panamax said:

JagLover said:

we also do not know how many of the children are fighters under the age of 18.

When I see parents sobbing over a bundle of cloth about three feet long I don't say to myself, "Well done Israel, you got another one of those Hamas fighters".

Do you think "FFS Hamas scum, why wont they release the hostages, surrender and stop hiding behind their supporters as meat shields"?

[fizz47]

Morraly corrupt people carry on defending the indefensible but tying to deflect and make up facts ….

More sick in the head people destroying aid

https://x.com/markseddon1962/status/17900342969603...

[Randy Winkman]

fizz47 said:

Morraly corrupt people carry on defending the indefensible but tying to deflect and make up facts ….

More sick in the head people destroying aid

https://x.com/markseddon1962/status/17900342969603...

Assuming that is what it says it is ........ it's sickening. Really sickening.

With added comment about Hamas being completely terrible so nobody tells me off for not saying that.

[fizz47]

Apparently happening for hours according to Israeli human rights group as the IDF watched on so if true a clear breach of the ICJ ruling alongside the 100s of other breaches of international law ..

Israel and its morally corrupt supporters think rules don’t apply to them and Palestinians are not humans..


https://x.com/btselem/status/1790041572446216270?s...

[mko9]

fizz47 said:

Morraly corrupt people carry on defending the indefensible but tying to deflect and make up facts ….

More sick in the head people destroying aid

https://x.com/markseddon1962/status/17900342969603...

It is a good thing they did that, because apparently HAMAS will murder you for taking humanitarian aid that they didn't provide:

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1789072656...

Saved hundreds of lives there.

[rohrl]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg300jek94zo

The White House says it’s an outrage and that blocking aid is completely unacceptable.

[Mrr T]

fizz47 said:

Apparently happening for hours according to Israeli human rights group as the IDF watched on so if true a clear breach of the ICJ ruling alongside the 100s of other breaches of international law ..

Israel and its morally corrupt supporters think rules don’t apply to them and Palestinians are not humans..


https://x.com/btselem/status/1790041572446216270?s...

You can be sure someone will be along with no idea what they are posting about and no idea about international law.

If only the poster could work out this happened in Israel. The IDF have no authority to act in Israel except when specifically ordered by the government. It's a police matter and any solder who used violence again the rioters could face charges.

[rohrl]

Mrr T said:

fizz47 said:

Apparently happening for hours according to Israeli human rights group as the IDF watched on so if true a clear breach of the ICJ ruling alongside the 100s of other breaches of international law ..

Israel and its morally corrupt supporters think rules don’t apply to them and Palestinians are not humans..


https://x.com/btselem/status/1790041572446216270?s...

You can be sure someone will be along with no idea what they are posting about and no idea about international law.

If only the poster could work out this happened in Israel. The IDF have no authority to act in Israel except when specifically ordered by the government. It's a police matter and any solder who used violence again the rioters could face charges.

You’d think that the government would have specifically ordered the IDF to make sure that protesters weren’t looting aid trucks and preventing them from getting through the crossing wouldn’t you?

[mko9]

rohrl said:

Mrr T said:

fizz47 said:

Apparently happening for hours according to Israeli human rights group as the IDF watched on so if true a clear breach of the ICJ ruling alongside the 100s of other breaches of international law ..

Israel and its morally corrupt supporters think rules don’t apply to them and Palestinians are not humans..


https://x.com/btselem/status/1790041572446216270?s...

You can be sure someone will be along with no idea what they are posting about and no idea about international law.

If only the poster could work out this happened in Israel. The IDF have no authority to act in Israel except when specifically ordered by the government. It's a police matter and any solder who used violence again the rioters could face charges.

You’d think that the government would have specifically ordered the IDF to make sure that protesters weren’t looting aid trucks and preventing them from getting through the crossing wouldn’t you?

Why would you think that, it is a police job.

[andymadmak]

mko9 said:

rohrl said:

Mrr T said:

fizz47 said:

Apparently happening for hours according to Israeli human rights group as the IDF watched on so if true a clear breach of the ICJ ruling alongside the 100s of other breaches of international law ..

Israel and its morally corrupt supporters think rules don’t apply to them and Palestinians are not humans..


https://x.com/btselem/status/1790041572446216270?s...

You can be sure someone will be along with no idea what they are posting about and no idea about international law.

If only the poster could work out this happened in Israel. The IDF have no authority to act in Israel except when specifically ordered by the government. It's a police matter and any solder who used violence again the rioters could face charges.

You’d think that the government would have specifically ordered the IDF to make sure that protesters weren’t looting aid trucks and preventing them from getting through the crossing wouldn’t you?

Why would you think that, it is a police job.

I can see both sides of this. Strictly speaking it IS a Police job, but equally the Israeli Government should definitely have taken steps that ensured the safe delivery of the aid. It's not acceptable that this convoy was wrecked in this way.
At the same time I can also see yet more hypocrisy from our usual posters..... None of them batted an eyelid when Hamas was stealing the aid, none of them so much as tuts when Hamas executes people who it suspects of taking aid from the Israelis, nary a whisper when Hamas was digging up the water pipes to make rockets and then poisoning the fresh water aquifers.
But then I suppose if you are one who believes that Hamas is a benefit to Palestinians then all of the above is just fine.

[JJJ.]

JJJ. said:

I've never condemned any Palestinians, never will or it's very unlikely to happen, just couldn't image condemning the oppressed (putting it mildly). As for Hamas, difficult one, not my idea of freedom fighters and being backed by Iran certainly doesn't help their case in my eyes. But, and I feel this is important without Hamas the plight of the Palestinians would not be a major international issue as it is today and the massive condemnation of Israel for obvious reasons would not have occured. So, in my opinion the Hamas attack on Oct7 may benefit the Palestinians long term, the way things are going hopefully it won't be too long.
The World's eyes are firmly fixed on the Palestinian situation and how Israel has reacted and will react going forward. Importantly the Israeli government is under massive pressure from within and externally, hopefully this bodes well for the Palestinians.
The interesting thing is what happens if peace does occur (yep, getting ahead of myself), a two state solution actually does happen, Hamas no longer exists who are you the Israeli's going to have as a bogeyman? Hamas existence suits the Israeli's, after they factilated Hamas and particularly suited big bks Bibi and his government.

Edited by JJJ. on Saturday 11th May 17:56

[Wadeski]

JJJ. said:

JJJ. said:

I've never condemned any Palestinians, never will or it's very unlikely to happen, just couldn't image condemning the oppressed (putting it mildly). As for Hamas, difficult one, not my idea of freedom fighters and being backed by Iran certainly doesn't help their case in my eyes. But, and I feel this is important without Hamas the plight of the Palestinians would not be a major international issue as it is today and the massive condemnation of Israel for obvious reasons would not have occured. So, in my opinion the Hamas attack on Oct7 may benefit the Palestinians long term, the way things are going hopefully it won't be too long.
The World's eyes are firmly fixed on the Palestinian situation and how Israel has reacted and will react going forward. Importantly the Israeli government is under massive pressure from within and externally, hopefully this bodes well for the Palestinians.
The interesting thing is what happens if peace does occur (yep, getting ahead of myself), a two state solution actually does happen, Hamas no longer exists who are you the Israeli's going to have as a bogeyman? Hamas existence suits the Israeli's, after they factilated Hamas and particularly suited big bks Bibi and his government.

Edited by JJJ. on Saturday 11th May 17:56

How...how do Hamas "no longer exist" in this situation? Who is going to politely ask them to leave?

[JJJ.]

Wadeski said:

JJJ. said:

JJJ. said:

I've never condemned any Palestinians, never will or it's very unlikely to happen, just couldn't image condemning the oppressed (putting it mildly). As for Hamas, difficult one, not my idea of freedom fighters and being backed by Iran certainly doesn't help their case in my eyes. But, and I feel this is important without Hamas the plight of the Palestinians would not be a major international issue as it is today and the massive condemnation of Israel for obvious reasons would not have occured. So, in my opinion the Hamas attack on Oct7 may benefit the Palestinians long term, the way things are going hopefully it won't be too long.
The World's eyes are firmly fixed on the Palestinian situation and how Israel has reacted and will react going forward. Importantly the Israeli government is under massive pressure from within and externally, hopefully this bodes well for the Palestinians.
The interesting thing is what happens if peace does occur (yep, getting ahead of myself), a two state solution actually does happen, Hamas no longer exists who are you the Israeli's going to have as a bogeyman? Hamas existence suits the Israeli's, after all they facilitated Hamas and particularly suited big bks Bibi and his government.

How...how do Hamas "no longer exist" in this situation? Who is going to politely ask them to leave?

No crystal ball here. One can hope and wish. No doubt there's many possible scenarios were it could happen, it certainly wouldn't be the first time terrorists/militant group/freedom fighters (call them what you like) have melted away with political change but of course it would be reasonable for that change to be multi lateral, not unilateral.

Edited by JJJ. on Wednesday 15th May 10:30

Edited by JJJ. on Wednesday 15th May 17:14

[Electro1980]

andymadmak said:

I can see both sides of this. Strictly speaking it IS a Police job, but equally the Israeli Government should definitely have taken steps that ensured the safe delivery of the aid. It's not acceptable that this convoy was wrecked in this way.
At the same time I can also see yet more hypocrisy from our usual posters..... None of them batted an eyelid when Hamas was stealing the aid, none of them so much as tuts when Hamas executes people who it suspects of taking aid from the Israelis, nary a whisper when Hamas was digging up the water pipes to make rockets and then poisoning the fresh water aquifers.
But then I suppose if you are one who believes that Hamas is a benefit to Palestinians then all of the above is just fine.

Because no one thinks Hamas have any real control of the region in order to act as police, and if they did the IDF have made it clear they will bomb them regardless of any aid trucks or civilians in the area anyway.

[Zed 44]

Hi There. I picked this up from our friends at Al Jazeera and thought it might be illustratetive of how the Israelis will "control" Gaza when they have finished mauling it.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-...

[EmilA]

Zed 44 said:

Hi There. I picked this up from our friends at Al Jazeera and thought it might be illustratetive of how the Israelis will "control" Gaza when they have finished mauling it.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-...

Thank you for posting this. Looks like Israelis would control the air they breathe if they could.

[andymadmak]

Electro1980 said:

Because no one thinks Hamas have any real control of the region in order to act as police,

Seriously? I thought that one of the reasons that we don't see protests against Hamas is because of the very real threat of reprisals from Hamas. Sounds like Hamas have VERY real control of the region of Gaza?